Rep. Abigail Spanberger (VA-D) - Never use the words 'socialist' or 'socialism'
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You're most likely correct.
If so, then Trump Tower will have to serve as a symbolic substitute.
My daughter had a friend who worked for Hillary’s campaign and she adored her. She said she was like everyone, she had a moments where she lost her temper, but generally, she was kind and compassionate, but like all powerful women, you didn’t want to cross her. She worked for Vogue magazine before going to work for Hillary. She is now taking time off to raise her little girl. I think Hillary often gets a bad rap.
What train? The Hillary is corrupt train?
My entire career has involved adhering to a code of ethics as if they were laws. I've seen officers, and senior NCOs, heavily reprimanded for violating ethics, not regulations. No charges, but their career ended at that point and they were forced out after failing to promote.
Hillary, and Bill, repeatedly violated ethics while remaining (mostly) within the law. They'd run, no walk, up to the legal line then walk along it. Unethical? Yes. Illegal? No.
She did violate classified material protocols. That's a matter of record. Also a matter of record is that a Democratic WH and DOJ chose not to do anything about it in an election year.
Comey soft-peddled it, but he clearly states she did violate the rules.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
...Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.
Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.
While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government....
There's no doubt Hillary is smarter and more experienced than the dumb ass Trump. Both are corrupt, but Hillary is smarter about it. Trump? "Stupid is as stupid does".
You're most likely correct.
If so, then Trump Tower will have to serve as a symbolic substitute.
You're assuming he will still own it after the State of NY gets done with him.
I agree, worse than she deserves. The (R)s started going after both of them when Bill was still the governor of Arkansas, and haven't let up since.
I still see no evidence of corruption. Read your prior post about the email thing. That's stupidity and probably illegal, but it is not corruption. Plus it happened during the later years of the Obama administration -- whereas the (R)s have been claiming since the 1980s that the Clintons are "corrupt." How odd that even with the wealth and might of the U.S. government financing their investigations, they never came up with a single actionable thing other than lying about a BJ.
Let's put it this way, if it has the name "TRUMP" on it, every dog in the neighborhood will know I've been there.
Sorry, but now you are claiming Hillary is innocent because the poor, little hick from Arkansas (I know she wasn't) was too fucking stupid to know better?
Hillary is smarter than I am. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Let's not forget all the bullshit that came with the Clintons into the WH. Everything from Whitewater to Travelgate. Lost files, Troopergate, throwing sexually harassed and raped women under the bus, renting out the Lincoln bedroom. Sniper fire. Dead broke. The list goes on.
Sure, whataboutism. When have I ever denied the corruption or idiocy of a Republican? Ever? The RWNJs are constantly throwing spitballs at me because I won't defend corrupt and/or lying Republicans. Now the Democrats give me shit because I treat Hillary exactly the same way? WTF?
Is it because she's a woman?
Huh? I said that "I see no evidence of corruption." That is not the same as saying she's stupid OR innocent.
Doing what, exactly? What has she done, other than put emails on a personal server? I've heard dozens of accusations but nothing that has any proof behind it.
Ah, now you're getting more specific. Thank you. What is your explanation as to why nothing ever came of the multiple investigations into these events?
Sure, whataboutism. When have I ever denied the corruption or idiocy of a Republican? Ever? The RWNJs are constantly throwing spitballs at me because I won't defend corrupt and/or lying Republicans. Now the Democrats give me shit because I treat Hillary exactly the same way? WTF?
Is it because she's a woman?
I don't care if she's a woman, man, dog, or wombat. I don't like her either, and voted for Bernie in the primaries. I'm merely asking a fairly rational person (you) what thing or things has she done that show that she is corrupt. Not innuendos, rumors, allegations --- but specific things that she has been found guilty of. You already listed the email mess, and I agree that she righteously fucked that up. Later you listed a lot of other things. Why, in your opinion, were the Clintons never charged with any crimes related to those incidents you listed?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Thank you.
Progressive energy turned Georgia blue, not the status que .. and if the all important race for the Senate here prevails for democrats, the same energy will be required.
Nope. RINOs are that because of their choice not because of any threats. They have the option to leave the party anytime they choose. McCain did when he kissed Obama's ass with one of his last votes.
Too many people thinking it's the government's job to do for them what they don't want to do for themselves.
Thank you.
Progressive energy turned Georgia blue, not the status que .. and if the all important race for the Senate here prevails for democrats, the same energy will be required.
You're just another example of a left winger that has admitted he can't do it on his own.
I've flown with a handful of ex-cops over the years. Sitting in the cockpit 6-8 hours a day/3-4 days a week, most of it spent on autopilot at cruising altitude**, leaves a lot of time for talk. Every one of them agreed most crooks are stupid. Who would knock over a liquor store, maybe even shoot the owner, for $300? Smart crooks put on suits and move to either NYC or Wash DC. Hillary did both.
Have the Republicans overplayed their hand regarding the Clintons? Yes, just like we've seen Democrats overplay their hands with Bush 43 and Dumbass 45. Nevertheless, there was truth in all the allegations made by both sides.
I've already listed many reasons why I think Hillary is a corrupt lying crook. Like many politicians before her (or since), I also understand she/they are unlikely to pay for their violations of ethics and, as appropriate, crimes. Hillary committed a crime when she deliberate (or negligently) violated classified material handling protocols.
Consider this: 1) A successful intelligence operation is one that is never, ever revealed to be a success. This is why we hear about the CIA's failures but rarely their successes. Same goes with the Russians.
2) Hillary deliberately never set up her government email system precisely to avoid official documents regulations....and she should know since she helped write them after Nixon. She let her paranoia rule her common sense by using a non-secure and unauthorized system for transmitting classified information. If I were a foreign agent seeking intel on the US, the Secretary of State's non-secure system would be on my Top Ten list for penetration. Did the Russians penetrate her system and read classified material? See #1.
Hillary deleted 30,000 emails which included official documents including classified material and lied about it. She's not stupid, she knew what she was doing and was arrogant enough to believe she could get away with it.....which she obviously did despite Comey's findings and testimony.
Riddle me this: Why doesn't the DNC want her back?
**The next time you fly, when at cruising altitude and after the Captain's PA, take time to wonder what magazines they are reading or what they are talking about.
Dude, being labeled a RINO; Republican in Name Only, is a threat. They were pushed out.
Add the anti-military slant such as attacking McCain's service and Swiftboating and the Civil War continued. You'll believe whatever you like, but there are several intelligent, sane people on this forum who know the RNC was at war with itself starting with Newt and ending with Trump. I'm writing for anyone who wants to read my posts.
What happens to the RNC post-Trump now is totally up to them. I stopped calling myself a Republican in 2012 after 38 years of voting Republican. Mitt Romney was the last Republican to receive my vote. I've never voted for a Democrat for President, but have voted for challengers regardless of party in other elections as a protest.
Socialism is just a torrid mislabel for the right to use. It inflames the followers who do not understand it does not really exist in real life. The Dems seek a more equitable distribution of the profits the workers create. The Repubs want the wealthy to get more because they think they will be benevolent with all the power and money. Your healthcare and your increased wages are being funneled to the top 1 percent. The Repubs are for that,
Thank you.
Progressive energy turned Georgia blue, not the status que .. and if the all important race for the Senate here prevails for democrats, the same energy will be required.
You poor people are going to be absolutely SICK of electioneering by the time the vote is held. Just imagine the millions of dollars that are going to be pouring into ads there. And what could be done with that money that could help ppl.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Sorry if defunding the police, ie, REFORMING police policies and practices, sounds stupid to you, but you aren’t in the line of fire. Any association with BLM is offensive with centrists, even though BLM is supported by a wide range of voters, and Cori Bush won her race for a House seat campaigning as an advocate for police reform AND defunding the police. So what makes her district less Important to win then districts where republican lite democrats run?
Excuse my frankness, but Obama accomplished almost nothing on the issues of reigning in police murders and abuse.
Obama has failed victims of racism and police abuse, by Cornel Weat, the Guardian 14 July 2016.
How do centrists get to define what political tactics those most affected by police murder and abuse should employ when they are doing virtually noting about it and don’t even want the subject brought up?
I, like most progressives have no problem discussing this issue with centrists and the right wing of the Democratic Party, but I am not going to allow them to attack the left wing of the party without a response. It is that same right wing faction that does not want to engage in constructive dialog, rather than engaging in finger pointing and attacks, which is exactly what they are doing today.
Even on this site, centrists don’t want to talk about it. I’ve become an obstacle, a pariah, to Democratic delusions of grandeur. It’s the centrist way of marshmallow politics or the highway in this supposedly big tent party.
Please don’t take this as a personal attack. You and I have been talking for many years and I’m serious about the respect I’ve always had for your thoughts and opinions. .. one more thing, the future of the party rests in the hands of the youth. Who do you think has been FAR more effective in bring young voters into the fold, progressives or the marshmellows?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Thanks
The last thing Georgia needs is a bunch of DNC operatives coming down here trying to direct the message for this all Important race. Progressives like Stacy Abrams and Keisha Lance Bottoms were far more influential to Biden winning Georgia than Nancy Pelosi and centrist democratis who had written Georgia off as unwinnable.
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