Rep. Abigail Spanberger (VA-D) - Never use the words 'socialist' or 'socialism'

[dukkha]

Sorry, comrade, but the economy and the COVID response are the President's job. Trump certainly botched the COVID response which resulted in the economy crashing (the bottom of the V). Fucking up then fixing it and declaring yourself the Best President Evah! is stupid.

pure trash. you post like a TDS Dem
we got a vaccine in record time. COVID has done the same to the rest of the world as it's done to us

Trumps'"response" didn't crash the economy -pure lies -the lockdown did.. damn you are stoopid

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Ridiculous.

Every House Member who campaigned on Medicare for All retained their seats .. and progressive politics won even without democrats. 15$ minimum wage won starts for republicans in Florida and legalization won again.

It was and remains progressive politics winning in Georgia with progressive leadership, without which the black and Latino votes would not have been as energized as they were. Once again it’s centrist democrats taking their cues from republicans.

Keep promoting attacks on progressives and see how far that gets you.

"and yet they lost at least a half-dozen seats and failed to retake the Senate."

Your support for the current Democratic agenda is noted.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

pure trash. you post like a TDS Dem
we got a vaccine in record time. COVID has done the same to the rest of the world as it's done to us

Trumps'"response" didn't crash the economy -pure lies -the lockdown did.. damn you are stoopid

Disagreed, comrade dukkha/anatta. Do you have a third sock too?

 

[dukkha]

Disagreed, comrade dukkha/anatta. Do you have a third sock too?

fucking dolt "i disagree" then you cant back it up..damn you are stoopid

 

[Dutch Uncle]

it is the nature for big tent parties to wage internal civil war, nothing new here.

There's a difference between disagreement and civil war. Look at the Republican party history over the past 50 years for an example.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Strategically she is right. There are far more votes in the center than in either extremes. The progressive left is the smallest faction of either major parties coalitions and the polling data clearly shows they are the least popular. That doesn’t mean that they are always wrong or that we don’t need a truly liberal wing in American politics but that doesn’t change the fact that America is essentially a centrist nation (center left, center and center right).

The evidence is clear that what should have been a blue wave was undermined by the progressive liberal wing of the party. Most Americans find the European style Social Democrat policies unpalatable. Notions such as defunding the police, which was interpreted as eliminating polic, or universal guaranteed income which violates traditional Protestant work ethic are not ideas that the majority of Americans accept.

So co-opting the middle, as the GOP, continues on its path further to the right is a great opportunity but make no mistake about it. If there’s no center and Americans have to choose between the far left and the far right the majority will choose the far right. This Presidential election may have been a rejection by the majority of Trumps boorish behavior, inconsistent policies and gross incompetence in his management of the COVID pandemic but the vast support he did receive was solid evidence of Americans rejection of progressive left policies.

But here’s the real question, even if Democrats are able to co-opt the political center what will they do to address the complete failure of supply side economic policies with something other than socialism and what will they do to reverse the impact our past trade policies which have done so much damage to rural and small town communities by dissolving their economic base in manufacturing?

These two issues are the major drivers of the rural/urban divide which is the true political divide in our nation. So what will Democrats do to support and invest in our rural and small town communities? How will they provide an economic pathway for them? How will they reach out to them with infrastructure, IT and communication resources, transportation and logistics networks that currently by pass them.

Currently I see no efforts by Democrats to reach out to rural and small town Americans to bridge this divide. When I discuss this with my urban liberal friends their responses are either arrogant and dismissive of them or down right pejorative towards them as being ignorant, poorly educated Bubbas who are to stupid to know where their best interest lies.

If the Democrats sincerely wish to co-opt the middle and cure the rural/urban divide then this shit needs to stop and Democrats need to come up with rural, small community development programs that respects their values and promotes their economic opportunities and not social Democratic hand outs as these folks intend on earning their bread. These dim witted ideas from condescending and arrogant urban elites just alienates them further.

So that opportunity is there, right now and Democrats can strategically take advantage of it through a little self reflection and prioritizing rural/small town issues instead of being dismissive about them.

So the Democrats need to come up with real solutions that advance rural/small town economic interests and community values that Donald Trump campaigned on so effectively but did so little for. Cause if they don’t, sure as the sun comes up, they will throw there selves behind another demagogue like Trump only the next demagogue may be far worse than Trump.

Good post. In response to the bolded:

Supply-side economics, like demand-side, is a model. The Laffer Curve works. Where the Republicans have failed is in failing to recognize the Laffer Curve has two sides; there's tax too much and tax too little. Right now our nation is taxing too little which is why the national debt keeps climbing under Republican President: they spend more money than the nation has revenue.

Democrats don't give a shit about Red States or rural areas. They commonly refer to them as "Flyover States" and seek to disenfranchise them by eliminating the Electoral College.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

 

[blackascoal]

"and yet they lost at least a half-dozen seats and failed to retake the Senate."

Your support for the current Democratic agenda is noted.

They lost because they should have lost. They ran as republican lite.

Biden won because he acknowledged the power of the progressive voter even if Abegail whatthefuck does not.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They lost because they should have lost. They ran as republican lite.

Biden won because he acknowledged the power of the progressive voter even if Abegail whatthefuck does not.

Time will tell, but I fail to see how the nation can be united with both parties continually moving apart.

Are you proficient with firearms? All stocked up with plenty of ammo?

 

[blackascoal]

Time will tell, but I fail to see how the nation can be united with both parties continually moving apart.

Are you proficient with firearms? All stocked up with plenty of ammo?

Why does the nation need to walk lockstep .. particularly with a party and its minions who don’t even believe in science?

2020 saw the election of Cori Bush, the first black woman and BLM activist elected to Congress from Missouri. Centrists played no hand in that historic success, nor the first transgender woman elected to Congress, nor the election of the first openly gay black men elected to Congress.

Face it, the Browning of America is here today, right now.

Don’t like it, there is nothing neither you nor your six gun can do about it.

I’m proficient in intelligent thought, how about you?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Why does the nation need to walk lockstep .. particularly with a party and its minions who don’t even believe in science?

2020 saw the election of Cori Bush, the first black woman and BLM activist elected to Congress from Missouri. Centrists played no hand in that historic success, nor the first transgender woman elected to Congress, nor the election of the first openly gay black men elected to Congress.

Face it, the Browning of America is here today, right now.

Don’t like it, there is nothing neither you nor your six gun can do about it.

It doesn't. Who, besides you, are saying it does? Why are you dodging the poll? Is it because you already voted with a sock?

I'm good with "the Browning of America" and the world. It's inevitable until we begin colonizing other planets. Why would I want to stop it? What do my guns have to do with it?

Kamala Harris is the VP-elect. SpaceX "Resilience" just lifted four astronauts toward ISS including Dragon Pilot and Navy Commander Victor J. Glover. Won't it be nice when people quit adding "first woman of color" or "first black American astronaut on ISS" to a person's name? Do you think they tire of always being introduced with their skin-tone as part of the introduction?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/15/science/spacex-nasa-astronauts-launch.html

 

[blackascoal]

It doesn't. Who, besides you, are saying it does? Why are you dodging the poll? Is it because you already voted with a sock?

I'm good with "the Browning of America" and the world. It's inevitable until we begin colonizing other planets. Why would I want to stop it? What do my guns have to do with it?

Kamala Harris is the VP-elect. SpaceX "Resilience" just lifted four astronauts toward ISS including Dragon Pilot and Navy Commander Victor J. Glover. Won't it be nice when people quit adding "first woman of color" or "first black American astronaut on ISS" to a person's name? Do you think they tire of always being introduced with their skin-tone as part of the introduction?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/15/science/spacex-nasa-astronauts-launch.html

I agree with much of that, but wasn’t it you who asked me if I am proficient with firearms?

 

[Concart]

Good post. In response to the bolded:

Supply-side economics, like demand-side, is a model. The Laffer Curve works. Where the Republicans have failed is in failing to recognize the Laffer Curve has two sides; there's tax too much and tax too little. Right now our nation is taxing too little which is why the national debt keeps climbing under Republican President: they spend more money than the nation has revenue.

Democrats don't give a shit about Red States or rural areas. They commonly refer to them as "Flyover States" and seek to disenfranchise them by eliminating the Electoral College.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

The laffer curve does not work. The numbers tell the story. In every case where we had a large upper class tax cut, tax revenues as a percentage of GDP dropped. David Stockman, the chief economist that developed Reagan's policies has admitted this. That being said, I agree we are taxing too little. And I'd argue that more or less when it comes to taxes is a misnomer. Tax policy is about TARGETING various types of taxes to ensure they are maximizing economic growth and low unemployment. We are miserably failing at that, and have been since the Reagan era. The transfer of wealth to the top (where it is NOT spent) is unsustainable. If the laffer curve worked, you would not see that enormous shift of the wealth to the top. Infinity fountains only work when there is a balance of flow from the top to the bottom and back again. All the water is in the top of the fountain. It's a major problem.

 

[Cinnabar]

A 'Charismatic Leader'. Obama was a charismatic person. I remember one black guy being interviewed and he said 'I voted for Obama because he was Black' and didn't know what his Policies were. So the "I just like the guy" attraction has to be part of the equation. I can see Trump being a 'Charismatic Leader' to some. Biden ... I can't see anyone calling Biden 'charismatic'.

One person's 'Charismatic Leader' is another person's 'Repulsive A-Hole'. The problem is that if Biden does not do something transformative as in enacting policies people want, Trump is perfectly capable of winning the republican nomination again in 2024 and then, as unbelievable as it is to those who see a 'Repulsive A-Hole, he can win the general. If Biden provides Med4All and some other wildly popular and needed Progressive policies, he will be a shoo-in. Will he go against his corporate donors? We are going to find out.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I agree with much of that, but wasn’t it you who asked me if I am proficient with firearms?

Yes. Like the poll, you dodged that too. Your choice.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The laffer curve does not work. The numbers tell the story. In every case where we had a large upper class tax cut, tax revenues as a percentage of GDP dropped. David Stockman, the chief economist that developed Reagan's policies has admitted this. That being said, I agree we are taxing too little. And I'd argue that more or less when it comes to taxes is a misnomer. Tax policy is about TARGETING various types of taxes to ensure they are maximizing economic growth and low unemployment. We are miserably failing at that, and have been since the Reagan era. The transfer of wealth to the top (where it is NOT spent) is unsustainable. If the laffer curve worked, you would not see that enormous shift of the wealth to the top. Infinity fountains only work when there is a balance of flow from the top to the bottom and back again. All the water is in the top of the fountain. It's a major problem.

Disagreed about the Laffer Curve, but I certainly agree that our government is fucking up the country by cutting taxes and increasing spending.

All the Laffer Curve says is there's an optimum tax point. It's no different than a Lift/Drag curve for optimum lift and minimum drag(L/D Max). As you pointed out and as the L/D graphs below note, the curve can be targeted to different groups.

 

[Jack]

One person's 'Charismatic Leader' is another person's 'Repulsive A-Hole'. The problem is that if Biden does not do something transformative as in enacting policies people want, Trump is perfectly capable of winning the republican nomination again in 2024 and then, as unbelievable as it is to those who see a 'Repulsive A-Hole, he can win the general. If Biden provides Med4All and some other wildly popular and needed Progressive policies, he will be a shoo-in. Will he go against his corporate donors? We are going to find out.

I'm not sure Trump REALLY wants to be President again. That Job is WAY out of his league. But I can see him going out and being a Reality TV Personality. Making the BIG BUCKS.

I think Bernie & Co. have 'a seat at the table' ... not sure how much clout they will have. (?)

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not sure Trump REALLY wants to be President again. That Job is WAY out of his league. But I can see him going out and being a Reality TV Personality. Making the BIG BUCKS.

I think Bernie & Co. have 'a seat at the table' ... not sure how much clout they will have. (?)

Agreed on Trump. He'd have more fun on Trump TV than being POTUS. Regardless, losing hurts his fragile ego. Nobody likes to lose, but most people are sane enough to take it in stride. Trump is the equivalent of OJ being pissed off about his ex dating other people.

 

[Jack]

Agreed on Trump. He'd have more fun on Trump TV than being POTUS. Regardless, losing hurts his fragile ego. Nobody likes to lose, but most people are sane enough to take it in stride. Trump is the equivalent of OJ being pissed off about his ex dating other people.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[CFM]

You voted for Hitler and the SS.

Neither one of those were running.

 

[Althea]

Ridiculous.

Every House Member who campaigned on Medicare for All retained their seats .. and progressive politics won even without democrats. 15$ minimum wage won starts for republicans in Florida and legalization won again.

It was and remains progressive politics winning in Georgia with progressive leadership, without which the black and Latino votes would not have been as energized as they were. Once again it’s centrist democrats taking their cues from republicans.

Keep promoting attacks on progressives and see how far that gets you.

Isn't this the point that's being made? The majority of the nation is centrist. AOC will never be in danger in her district, but calling for 'defunding the police', (even though that catchphrase isn't accurate) is what cost other House members their seats in close races even though it wasn't their policy position.

Messaging sucked. Obama/Biden set up a task force on community policing that trump immediately did away with, opting to instruct his Justice Dept. to crack down on protesters. THAT should have been the messaging


If the ploy is to push a far Left progressive agenda as that of House Democrats, then we'll be watching another 4 years of Republican control after the mid terms.