Despite the Ass-kissing, Stimulus Plan Passes Without a Single Republican Vote

I'd love for someone to explain to me how a campaign that emphasized universal healthcare, $150 billion investment in green energy, revamping NCLB, making college more affordable, withdrawal from Iraq, closing Gitmo/ending torture, opening up diplomacy with countries like Iran & giving tax breaks to lower income Americans was "dropping one's pants" for the GOP.
 
Superfreak said:
So... out of curiosity... which left wingnut site put out the memo today???

Suddenly everyone is proclaiming that 'Rush is in charge of the Republican party'??

What a load of crap. (both Rush and the idiots who thinks he controls anyone)
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REally? He told the Republican party: Do not vote for the stimilus bill. Republican party did not vote for it.

Today, he has come out with the Obama/Limbaugh stimilus plan. And if I were you, and it were my party, I'd read it, cause your party is going to adopt every single point in it.
 
Chapdog said:
My problem with this stimulus is its loaded with pandering. For example specific reference that no payout should be made to private school but only public schools is specific pandering to the teachers unions.
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Chapdog - That's just not true. That's horseshit from the Wall Street Journal. What the bill prohibits is stimulus funds being used for school voucher programs. Nothing more.

Stop reading that crap.
 
Chapdog said:
Have you started filing your taxes yet? LOL wait till you see how many loopholes and write offs are closed down now. Guaranteed higher effective tax rate.
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I'm single, a renter, and childless.

My taxes are going to be the same as they ever were. Or, would be, if I hadn't S-corped.


I'll probably do OK.
 
Darla, it's too simplistic and moronic to say "Their Ideology doesn't work". What aspect of it? Do you want no markets at all? That just means monopoly vendors to the government, and fascism, in truth. Plus, their ideology is obama's ideology.

Please have more intellectual merit, going forth.
 
blackascoal said:
One of the many reasons I'm not a democrat. They are weak as shit .. the entire fucking party .. weak as shit. They don't know how to lead.

They make excuses for weakness, even celebrate weakness.

All the knuckleheads and goosesteppers are not republicans.

Not a single republican voted for the plan .. which tells you they are orchestrated .. and what they plan is to destroy Obama at all costs.
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Yes, this is as plain as day, and I don't think that anyone here is disputing this. Anyone who is not an R I mean.
 
blackascoal said:
It's not what's best for the country now .. that's the point. The emphasis on spending, discovery, safety nets, and education was and still is the best course to take to recovery. We've been down the tax cut road .. IT DIDN"T WORK.

Obama is the President .. LEAD THE FUCKING COUNTRY.
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We definitely disagree on this. It is not that tax cuts didn't work. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. Provide stimulus to the economy. Put more money in the hands of the people rather than in the hands of the idiots in DC. The problem lies in the fact that the idiots in DC kept increasing spending in addition to cutting taxes even when the economy improved from 2003-2007. That was a huge mistake.

Now we are in a situation that requires both again. But we have to remember... when the economy improves, we need to either cut government spending or increase taxes.

As for the here and now... we need those tax cuts for small businesses. We also need the spending portion to be done in a manner that creates jobs. Infrastructure is a way to do that. Alt energy expansion is another. Both benefit the country in the long term while providing the ability to create jobs in the short term. The timing is perfect for a massive buildout in these areas given the loose job market.
 
Onceler said:
I didn't say that's exactly what you said. I said that it's the impression one would get from reading some of what you argue, like your comment above that he bent over & dropped his pants for the GOP. I certainly did not see that at all, but I know we disagree on that.

If this wasn't either a ploy or just showmanship by Obama, you're going to have to show me where he caved to the GOP as a result of the meeting he had w/ them. If he is genuinely giving them clout and making fundamental changes as a result of their input, I'd like to see it.
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My brother, you keep talking about the meeting, which I've never mentioned. This is more than just about a meeting .. and I posted an article that described what Obama has caved on .. so far. I'm amazed that you aren't already aware of this, given its so widely known. Go turn on your TV now and I bet you can find someone talking about it right now.

If this is the leadership you're looking for in Obama, cool .. but it's doomed to failure and the evidence of that is pretty clear.

He has a mandate and a Congress and public that will support him.

LEAD the country.
 
"I posted an article that described what Obama has caved on .. so far"

No; you posted an interview with a leftie, who asserted that Obama had caved, but was admittedly vague on the details. I provided them. The majority of tax cuts are not going to "the rich." They're going to pretty much exactly who Obama said they'd go to throughout the campaign.

If Obama differs with you & he regarding the effectiveness of tax cuts at a time like this, so be it. I do NOT disagree with him, nor do many of those on the left. It doesn't mean he's "caving" to Republicans. It's a disagreement on economic theory.
 
Superfreak said:
We definitely disagree on this. It is not that tax cuts didn't work. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. Provide stimulus to the economy. Put more money in the hands of the people rather than in the hands of the idiots in DC. The problem lies in the fact that the idiots in DC kept increasing spending in addition to cutting taxes even when the economy improved from 2003-2007. That was a huge mistake.

Now we are in a situation that requires both again. But we have to remember... when the economy improves, we need to either cut government spending or increase taxes.

As for the here and now... we need those tax cuts for small businesses. We also need the spending portion to be done in a manner that creates jobs. Infrastructure is a way to do that. Alt energy expansion is another. Both benefit the country in the long term while providing the ability to create jobs in the short term. The timing is perfect for a massive buildout in these areas given the loose job market.
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What about the jackals on wallstreet?
 
Darla said:
Really? Well, it means to go from really hot to really not.

It started in reference to tv shows, when they stopped being fresh. Usually when the two main leads finally "do it" or something like that. It was taken from Happy Days, when Fonzie, literally, jumped the shark, in an Evil Kneival like stunt. It signals the end of the best and the beginning of the big decline.

It's since grown into common usage to say, in shorthand, you are sooo 15 minutes ago.
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LMAO... while I do remember that episode of Happy Days, I still have never heard someone use that phrase. Thanks to you and to Asshat for the explanation.

Now... back to telling you how wrong you are....
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... while I do remember that episode of Happy Days, I still have never heard someone use that phrase. Thanks to you and to Asshat for the explanation.

Now... back to telling you how wrong you are....
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Thanks for your thanks, sf. SOmetimes it's hard being the board gimp.
 
Darla said:
If unemployed people get another 25 bucks a week, what do they do with that money?
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The same thing they did with the checks Bush sent out. Typically pay a bill or spend it on groceries. It is a short term burst. It does nothing for the long term. If it were effective we would have seen some benefit. All it does is stop gap the problem.

Which is better...

1) Giving someone on unemployment an extra $25 a week

or

2) Creating a job for that person on unemployment
 
Superfreak said:
We definitely disagree on this. It is not that tax cuts didn't work. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. Provide stimulus to the economy. Put more money in the hands of the people rather than in the hands of the idiots in DC.
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STOP RIGHT THERE.

That's bullshit my brother. The tax cuts did no such thing. You're repeating the right-wing mantra of "more money in thei pockets." The tiny tax cuts most Americans got went towards paying debt.

Let's have this conversation .. without the bullshit.


The problem lies in the fact that the idiots in DC kept increasing spending in addition to cutting taxes even when the economy improved from 2003-2007. That was a huge mistake.

Now we are in a situation that requires both again. But we have to remember... when the economy improves, we need to either cut government spending or increase taxes.

As for the here and now... we need those tax cuts for small businesses. We also need the spending portion to be done in a manner that creates jobs. Infrastructure is a way to do that. Alt energy expansion is another. Both benefit the country in the long term while providing the ability to create jobs in the short term. The timing is perfect for a massive buildout in these areas given the loose job market.
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Some tax cuts are indeed needed, including some to small businesses. I own a business and would welcome a tax cut. However, tax cuts should take a much smaller percentage of this stimulus plan than spending, even if that means no tax cut for me. Many small businesses are doomed to failure anyway because of bad business planning. I know, been there, done that. Throwing money as such businesses may keep them afloat for a while, but it won't stimulate the economy.
 
Superfreak said:
The same thing they did with the checks Bush sent out. Typically pay a bill or spend it on groceries. It is a short term burst. It does nothing for the long term. If it were effective we would have seen some benefit. All it does is stop gap the problem.

Which is better...

1) Giving someone on unemployment an extra $25 a week

or

2) Creating a job for that person on unemployment
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But see, corporations don't want to create jobs here, because they can go elsewhere and hire slaves. it would be a boon for american workers if we just stopped all trade from nations based on slave labor and mistreatment.

Protectionism Now!

protectionism is not the new boogey man, globalization is.
 
Darla said:
REally? He told the Republican party: Do not vote for the stimilus bill. Republican party did not vote for it.

Today, he has come out with the Obama/Limbaugh stimilus plan. And if I were you, and it were my party, I'd read it, cause your party is going to adopt every single point in it.
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Wow ... what a REALLY good point. They must have all voted against it because master Rush told them too.

It must be that. You are just too smart.

/sarcasm
 
Superfreak said:
The same thing they did with the checks Bush sent out. Typically pay a bill or spend it on groceries. It is a short term burst. It does nothing for the long term. If it were effective we would have seen some benefit. All it does is stop gap the problem.

Which is better...

1) Giving someone on unemployment an extra $25 a week

or

2) Creating a job for that person on unemployment
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Definitely the second, but we have to be realistic. We are in the middle of a jobs crisis, and many people are going to be on unemployment. This extends their benefits so that they are not penniless when their benefits run out, and gives a tiny bit extra each week. It's not a sole solution, it needs to be part of the solution though, because this is not going to be solved overnight, and we can't pretned it will be, because when their unemployment runs out they can't pretend they are still getting checks to buy food with.
 
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