Arks&sparka
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Nothing stops that from happening except for people not competing.
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Nothing stops that from happening except for people not competing.
Arks&sparka
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So, nobody wants Capitalism, because it's such an inferior system, right?
Not sure how you managed to pull that strawman out of your ass but I'd be a little weirded out if you didn't attempt.
Seems capitalism is the most Superior system in the planet. You can't hold slaves, monopolies can't exist. You decide the value of your labor.
Nothing stops that from happening except for people not competing.
Not having the $100 billion (or whatever) it would take to compete with Amazon stops it.
Arks&sparka
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How could they be capitalists if they are violating the fundamental principal of capitalism?Capitalists like all societieis have lead to theft.
The war with Brits was because they were stealing through taxes. Native Americans didn't own the country, and why would you mention slavery if you don't believe there is a such thing. If they are paying them in shelter and food than how are they slaves?The USA Founding Fathers supported theft of America away from Brits, Native Americans, in Black slaves.
No they weren't.I guess the Founding Fathers weren't Capitalists, huh??
No they haven't. Capitalism is an ideal where nobody steals nobody is forced all transactions are voluntary. It's not possible with greedy selfish human beings.I guess nobody's ever been Capitalist, by your logic.
BattleofHodow
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Not sure how you managed to pull that strawman out of your ass but I'd be a little weirded out if you didn't attempt.
Seems capitalism is the most Superior system in the planet. You can't hold slaves, monopolies can't exist. You decide the value of your labor.
Actually, about all we've ever had for government, is different types of Capitalism, technically.
Because Communism is State Capitalism.
https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-capitalism.html
The Founding Fathers of the United States believed in democratic capitalism, firmly placing value on liberty and equality in the United States Constitution.
An example of state capitalism dates back to the great powers during World War I and World War II. During this time, the government controlled the inventory and output of production, as seen in Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union.
Arks&sparka
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Not having the $100 billion (or whatever) it would take to compete with Amazon stops it.
You wouldn't need that all you'd need is to provide a good or service they don't provide or provide it in a way that better customer service or cheaper cost. If you did that you'd have more money than Bezos in no time.
Arks&sparka
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Capitalism is a form of economy not government. Communism is the antithesis of capitalism because the state decides what your labor is worth.Actually, about all we've ever had for government, is different types of Capitalism, technically.
Because Communism is State Capitalism.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
BattleofHodow
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How could they be capitalists if they are violating the fundamental principal of capitalism?
The war with Brits was because they were stealing through taxes. Native Americans didn't own the country, and why would you mention slavery if you don't believe there is a such thing. If they are paying them in shelter and food than how are they slaves?
No they weren't.
No they haven't. Capitalism is an ideal where nobody steals nobody is forced all transactions are voluntary. It's not possible with greedy selfish human beings.
Native Americans didn't believe in ownership, so that gives the Early Colonists the rights to steal, pillage & kill them?
LOL
Wow, just wow.
Early America fits best as mostly Laissez Faire Capitalism mixed with Mercantilism , which Mercantilism is kind of the precussor & crude form of Capitalism in the first place.
BattleofHodow
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Capitalism is a form of economy not government. Communism is the antithesis of capitalism because the state decides what your labor is worth.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
You're thinking of Laissez Faire Capitalism, there's numerous types of Capitalism, including State Capitalism like Stalin had.
Arks&sparka
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You can't steal something from someone if they don't own it. Also the war with the Indian tribes included colonists getting killed and pillaged. That's why there was over a century of war with natives.Native Americans didn't believe in ownership, so that gives the Early Colonists the rights to steal, pillage & kill them?
LOL
Wow, just wow.
Again, almost capitalism isn't capitalismEarly America fits best as mostly Laissez Faire Capitalism mixed with Mercantilism , which Mercantilism is kind of the precussor & crude form of Capitalism in the first place.
Arks&sparka
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You're thinking of Laissez Faire Capitalism, there's numerous types of Capitalism, including State Capitalism like Stalin had.
No, anti capitalism, or communism isn't capitalism. Without hands off your don't have capitalism.
BattleofHodow
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You can't steal something from someone if they don't own it. Also the war with the Indian tribes included colonists getting killed and pillaged. That's why there was over a century of war with natives.
Again, almost capitalism isn't capitalism
Sure, what-ever, you didn't steal the land Native Americans lived on, built huts on, hunted & even farmed on.
You wouldn't need that all you'd need is to provide a good or service they don't provide or provide it in a way that better customer service or cheaper cost. If you did that you'd have more money than Bezos in no time.
You cant go cheaper than Amazon, because they can take loses for as long as they need to to drive anyone who tried out of business.
Arks&sparka
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No, they to this day are still allowed to live on build huts on and even farm on the land.Sure, what-ever, you didn't steal the land Native Americans lived on, built huts on, hunted & even farmed on.
Arks&sparka
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You cant go cheaper than Amazon, because they can take loses for as long as they need to to drive anyone who tried out of business.
So provide things that people value besides low prices.
BattleofHodow
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No, they to this day are still allowed to live on build huts on and even farm on the land.
You are clearly predatory believing you have the rights to overtake Native Americans here.
Arks&sparka
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You are clearly predatory believing you have the rights to overtake Native Americans here.
Only if they wage war on the settlers, and they did.
So provide things that people value besides low prices.
As soon as you do Amazon notices, does it, and does it cheaper.
The entire business model of Amazon is to find investors who are willing to take massive loses over a lot of years as Amazon crushes all upstarts till Amazon gets so big that no one dare try that again, and then make a killing exploiting the customers..while buying politicians as needed.....this is not capitalism.....this is predatory wealth extraction....that is what you are in favor of.
Arks&sparka
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And that's bad? Why?As soon as you do Amazon notices, does it, and does it cheaper.
Well I agree with a part of what you said. Buying politicians is corporatism not capitalism.The entire business model of Amazon is to find investors who are willing to take massive loses over a lot of years as Amazon crushes all upstarts till Amazon gets so big that no one dare try that again, and then make a killing exploiting the customers..while buying politicians as needed.....this is not capitalism.....this is predatory wealth accumulation....that is what you are in favor of.
But getting investors in your side is certainly capitalism. If I don't want to but something from Amazon I don't have to.
And that's bad? Why?
Well I agree with a part of what you said. Buying politicians is corporatism not capitalism.
But getting investors in your side is certainly capitalism. If I don't want to but something from Amazon I don't have to.
It will keep costing you more to avoid Amazon and you will have to be willing to tolerate increasingly less choice and less convenience ....Amazon keeps ramping up the costs to you for your lack of conformity till you give in.
This is not capitalism.