The Science Is Very Clear: Schools Should Reopen This Fall

Darth Omar said:
But they don’t mean nothing lol.

Democrats should be wary of those kinds of numbers. I’ve pointed this out before: there are many parents of kids who not only want their kids back in school *but they feel strongly* about it. They [rightly] worry about their kids education and social development; have kids in sports, band etc. Not to mention the fact it disrupts their lives.

IOW, this is the kind of issue that can turn an election.
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Polls mean absolutely nothing. This is a math issue.

You don't know how many parents want their kids back in school. You don't know how many parents want to keep the schools closed. Anyone that says this is making numbers up. Even the use of the word 'many' as 'majority' is making numbers up. That's a fallacy in and of itself, dude. Be careful you do not fall into this trap laid out for you by Democrats.

The rules of statistical mathematics have several requirements:
* The data used MUST be raw data. No cooked data allowed. A statistical summary hasn't been run yet.
* The raw data MUST have be collected without biasing influences.
* The raw data MUST be available.
* Selection from that raw data for the summary MUST be by randN, the same type of random number as a deck of cards. Once a data point is selected, it cannot be selected again.
* The source of variance MUST be declared and justified.
* The margin of error MUST be calculated and presented with the averages.
* Normalization by paired randR (same type of random number as two or more dice) is perfectly acceptable.

Presenting an average without the margin of error value is meaningless.
Presenting a margin of error value without declaring and justifying the variance is meaningless.
Statistical math is incapable of the power of prediction normally inherent in mathematics, due to the importation of random numbers into it. The same is true of probability math. One cannot make a prediction using statistical math. It is a useful summary tool, but it cannot predict anything.

Polls don't present the raw data, and don't remove biasing influences on the collection of that data.
Polls don't present their questions most of the time either.

Quoting randU numbers (a psuedo random number thought up in someone's head, or an algorithm that does the same thing without a randR factor) as data is in and of itself a fallacy. The use of 'many' as 'majority', or 'most', or 'no one', are the same fallacy when attempting to use such values as data or as a proof. It is, in fact, a math error.

The use of polls to turn elections or to sway opinion is a form of propaganda. Nothing else.
 
Walt said:
Very few people died from H1N1 directly. If they counted the actual deaths, it would be a tiny number. Most doctors will tell you they have never or rarely seen a flu death. The numbers of dead were statistical in the form of additional deaths. So you look at the number of deaths you would expect to see, and then look at the number of deaths you did see. Some of those deaths would be motorcycle deaths. Deaths by accident go up with disease, because people who are sick make poor decisions.

Convid-19 is bad enough that you can actually assign deaths to it. The number of statistical deaths is going to be several times higher. It is impossible to compare apples to apples yet, but when we do Covid-19 will be at least 10 times worse than H1N1, and might be 100 times worse.

In the first month of H1N1, Obama did a million tests. There was contact tracing. There was real work to try to keep it from getting out of control. Other countries really rolled out of the stops to try to get Covid-19 under control. Sadly, America has not.

Right now, Covid-19 is spreading like wildfire in Red States. Deaths are creeping up, and hospitals are reaching 100% of capacity. As bad as things are, they are about to get far worse.

And that is just the disease. The world supply chains are remaking themselves. Everything is being redesigned. And America is being excluded.

trump says not to worry, he has a deal to sell soybeans (and some other agricultural products) to China. I don't sell soybeans. Soybeans are a low margin business. It is a product of poor countries like Brazil. And worse yet, the Chinese have suspended honoring the treaty to buy the soybeans, as they are allowed to by the poorly written treaty.
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Special pleading. That's a fallacy, dude.
 
Concart said:
Strawman. The CDC issued guidelines about closing schools. Stop whining. Trump doesn't want to follow CDC guidelines. Obama did. Your claim was bullshit, so I'm not surprised you are trying to change the subject.
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Fallacy fallacy. Special pleading fallacy.
 
Concart said:
Here are the facts. CDC issued guidelines in late April recommending schools close for 7 days when a case was identified, that was changed to 14 days in early May. Over 700 schools did close for some period of time after the initial recommendation. In August, the CDC revised guidelines to recommend that schools not close unless there was a significant outbreak in the school, or the students were more at risk. They issued specific guidelines on how schools should handle any reported cases.

Contrast that to the blanket claim by our resident genius that 'closing schools was not even on the radar'. Obama got it right. Trump is a disaster. Next?
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Contextomy fallacy. Pay attention to the conversation, dude.
 
Concart said:
"That depends on what the definition of 'is' is" CDC issued guidelines. 700 schools closed as a result of those guidelines. That is, in any known galaxy, 'ON THE RADAR'. You are not only stupid, you are dishonest to boot.
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Fixation. Irrelevance fallacy. Strawman fallacy. Contextomy fallacy.
 
Walt said:
Yes, local outbreaks cause local schools to close. Global pandemics cause schools to close globally. That is how it works.

Now that things are getting under control in Europe, people are reasonably planning to carefully open schools. With things completely out of control in America, trump is ordering schools to reopen without any care. It is terrible.
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H1N1 was global in scope. Schools did not close globally.
 
anatta said:
ridiculous,and you lied about a "suspension mechanism".
You ignore the fact Trump brought back manufacturing (after Obama said it would take a magic wand)
Your posts are a farce
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Where is there any evidence that Trump "brought back manufacturing"?

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