CA isn’t helping my mask skepticism

BartenderElite said:
How is it that you don't understand the difference?
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Between what and what? Void argument.
BartenderElite said:
I'm not "concluding" anything.
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Yes you are. You are just believing the crap from the fake news and the Democrat party.
BartenderElite said:
I'm taking the advice of healthcare professionals, and basically the entire healthcare/scientific community at this point.
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You don't get to speak for all healthcare professionals. You only get to speak for you. Masks do not stop a virus.
BartenderElite said:
Get it, Stretch? You're preaching the gospel of Fox News,
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Not a gospel. Try again.
BartenderElite said:
and doing your own speculating.
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The N95 specification is not speculating. The rising Covid19 cases in areas where masks are mandated is not speculating. The 0.3% infection rate is not speculating. The 0.06% death rate is not speculating. Source: CDC and various State health departments, including Washington State.
BartenderElite said:
Big difference there.
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Between what and what? Fake news and Fox news? Not all the time, dude. Fox has published it's share of fake news just like anyone else. Fortunately, they are not as bad off as CNN or MSNBC.
 
BartenderElite said:
Good. You're joining the rapidly growing conservative movement to reject knowledge, education, experience & expertise of any kind.
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"If you're not already sick, and you're not a health care worker, you don't need to wear a mask." - Dr. Fauci, March 2nd.
"“Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus." - Surgeon General Jerome Adams, March.
See the N95 specifications. Masks do not stop a virus.

It is YOU that is rejecting engineering. You also reject science and mathematics.

BartenderElite said:
I'm sure that will get us very far as a country. Way to do your bit.
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Actual engineers, scientists, and mathematicians got us to the Moon. They've sent probes to other planets and their moons. They built the computers that you are using right now. They design and construct safe roads and bridges, and have built the most extensive road system of any nation. They design and construct sewage treatment systems, the most extensive infrastructure of any nation. They cleaned up the air by designing and building EGR systems in cars. They cleaned up the water by designing simpler and cheaper tertiary treatment of sewage. They converted all we knew about nuclear bombs into a source of electric power. They have effectively eradicated real killer diseases like polio, rheumatic fever, and developed effective treatments against typhus, bubonic plague (which KILLED 50% of Europe), cholera, etc. They developed artificial hearts, instruments to perform microsurgery that earlier would've required large incisions. They developed better medical imaging systems, reducing the exposure to X rays and harmful methods of imaging used in the past.

You discount them all, to push your hypochondria and religion.

Masks do not stop a virus.
6 feet does not stop a virus.
Plastic shields at checkout counters do not stop a virus.
Shutting down the economy is designed to hurt Trump. It will not stop a virus.
 
""If you're not already sick, and you're not a health care worker, you don't need to wear a mask." - Dr. Fauci, March 2nd.
"“Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus." - Surgeon General Jerome Adams, March."

I remember that! :good4u:
 
Stretch said:
""If you're not already sick, and you're not a health care worker, you don't need to wear a mask." - Dr. Fauci, March 2nd.
"“Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus." - Surgeon General Jerome Adams, March."

I remember that! :good4u:
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New virus, Stretch.

See, some people can learn along the way, and have no problem admitting they were wrong - especially when lives & livelihoods are at stake.
 
Stretch said:
Well then, Fauci blew it. Fauci....all those 30 or more years in the business...turned out to be a dud.
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Even Einstein wasn't infallible.

That's what you & Trump don't get. I don't think you'll ever get it. It takes more intelligence & courage to admit that you were wrong on something, and change based on new evidence.

And with a new virus, there is new evidence all the time. People have to adjust on the fly.
 
BartenderElite said:
Even Einstein wasn't infallible.

That's what you & Trump don't get. I don't think you'll ever get it. It takes more intelligence & courage to admit that you were wrong on something, and change based on new evidence.

And with a new virus, there is new evidence all the time. People have to adjust on the fly.
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He either did or did not know mask protocol for a virus after a lifetime in the business.
 
Darth Omar said:
California reported its largest number of new coronavirus infections in a single day Tuesday, hospitalizations hit a new high and deaths approached record levels as the state continued to lose ground in its battle against COVID-19.

The 11,142 cases recorded Tuesday were easily the most confirmed in any one day since the pandemic began, surpassing the previous record of 9,816 on July 9, according to data from The Times’ coronavirus tracker.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...00-new-coronavirus-cases-in-one-day?_amp=true
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Per usual, the cases aren’t categorized and are all glommed together in one big number so it’s hard to know what exactly to make of it, but that’s beside the point.

CA guidelines mandated masks a month ago. And here there are setting a daily record at 11,000 cases [again, the raw numbers don’t tell us anything regarding clinical cases vs positive tests, but bear with me] so what gives?

Do masks work ‘just a bit’? I was under the impression that if we social distanced and masked, that the numbers would come down, we could open the economy up get things rocking again [well, maybe not too early, since the election isn’t till November].

Maybe someone can explain what’s going on in CA. I have my own ideas but they can wait.
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and we know covid can't be spread at protests.
 
Darth Omar said:
California reported its largest number of new coronavirus infections in a single day Tuesday, hospitalizations hit a new high and deaths approached record levels as the state continued to lose ground in its battle against COVID-19.

The 11,142 cases recorded Tuesday were easily the most confirmed in any one day since the pandemic began, surpassing the previous record of 9,816 on July 9, according to data from The Times’ coronavirus tracker.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...00-new-coronavirus-cases-in-one-day?_amp=true
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Per usual, the cases aren’t categorized and are all glommed together in one big number so it’s hard to know what exactly to make of it, but that’s beside the point.

CA guidelines mandated masks a month ago. And here there are setting a daily record at 11,000 cases [again, the raw numbers don’t tell us anything regarding clinical cases vs positive tests, but bear with me] so what gives?

Do masks work ‘just a bit’? I was under the impression that if we social distanced and masked, that the numbers would come down, we could open the economy up get things rocking again [well, maybe not too early, since the election isn’t till November].

Maybe someone can explain what’s going on in CA. I have my own ideas but they can wait.
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I live in So.Cal ..... every time I drive by my local park it is full of people and NON are wearing masks .
 
BartenderElite said:
Is every virus the same? Please tell us, doc.

Oh...and is Trump a "dud" for saying that the "original 15" would go down to zero, quickly?
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Still coming at me, eh? :laugh:
Daaaaaaaaaaaang a google search brings years of info on a virus no matter how old or not. How about the NCBI? Maybe vaccines and medicinal treatments
can change, but just the simple protocol on whether a mask is used or not on any respiratory system affected coronavirus. (It's been done before)
There were nothing but conflicting views within the WHO, CDC and NIH. Yet, people want to blame Trump when the so-called "medical community"
couldn't even get their act together and on the same page.
 
BartenderElite said:
Even Einstein wasn't infallible.

That's what you & Trump don't get. I don't think you'll ever get it. It takes more intelligence & courage to admit that you were wrong on something, and change based on new evidence.

And with a new virus, there is new evidence all the time. People have to adjust on the fly.
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Not in trump's family. Any admission of being wrong, would get you alienated from the truckloads of cash. Every time trump opens his mouth now, we can find the exact impetus on a page of Mary Trump's book.
 
Correlation is not causation. Basic scientific principle. One a sixth grader understands, but apparently not a Trump supporter. Masks slow the spread of the virus. This is now well established. Concluding that rising numbers in a state that requires masks means that masks don't work is completely unscientific. It's impossible to know what the impact would be without masks. This site attempts to make that calculation, but it's impossible to know. Here in Duval county, cases have dropped more than 50% since a mandatory mask order. I guess that means we can absolutely conclude that masks work. Right?

Science tests a hypothesis by removing all external variables. Get a clue. Seriously. You are embarrassing yourselves.
 
Stretch said:
Ronald Reagan once said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
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This is my current fav Reagan quote:

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
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*SEE SIG*
 
Stretch said:
Still coming at me, eh? :laugh:
Daaaaaaaaaaaang a google search brings years of info on a virus no matter how old or not. How about the NCBI? Maybe vaccines and medicinal treatments
can change, but just the simple protocol on whether a mask is used or not on any respiratory system affected coronavirus. (It's been done before)
There were nothing but conflicting views within the WHO, CDC and NIH. Yet, people want to blame Trump when the so-called "medical community"
couldn't even get their act together and on the same page.
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You didn't answer the question.

Is every virus the same?
 
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