CA isn’t helping my mask skepticism

[BartenderElite]

I swear - Fox has turned everyone into a doctor who knows everything.

 

[Stretch]

Stretch, seriously - how many times do you have to be wrong about this pandemic?

If YOU don't want to wear a mask, fine - but keep it to yourself. Don't try to argue against medical professionals, and create some sort of "debate." Can't you see this? You & Fox have made America one of the worst nations in controlling the spread. It's embarrassing.

And yet you stick to it. You say no one cares - but a LOT of people care. There are many who want to see this pandemic end. There are many who wish we had national leadership and a real plan to slow it down. There are many who don't want to die, or have permanent complications. And there are many who would like to more safely go back to schools or their jobs.

So, you are wrong - on every single count.

I said to do what you want.
If you use a paper mask, discard and replace it every 2 hours. If cloth, then wash it. This is the recommendation of the left's beloved WHO.
Have a happy day!

 

[Stretch]

Stop trying to play a scientist, or a doctor.

So, stop with YOUR advice and conclusions.

 

[BartenderElite]

So, stop with YOUR advice and conclusions.

How is it that you don't understand the difference?

I'm not "concluding" anything. I'm taking the advice of healthcare professionals, and basically the entire healthcare/scientific community at this point.

Get it, Stretch? You're preaching the gospel of Fox News, and doing your own speculating. Big difference there.

 

[Stretch]

How is it that you don't understand the difference?

I'm not "concluding" anything. I'm taking the advice of healthcare professionals, and basically the entire healthcare/scientific community at this point.

Get it, Stretch? You're preaching the gospel of Fox News, and doing your own speculating. Big difference there.

Back to square one. Sources were provided to what was only REPORTED.
In the U.S. the " healthcare/scientific community" ie CDC is corrupt. The U.S. stats are inaccurate and inflated.

Hypothetical:
A CDC report claims there are 100 confirmed cases.
The breakdown is actually 60 suspected, 30 probable and 10 confirmed which equals 100 confirmed cases to them now. This is a false representation of the facts.

That's enough for me to not believe ANYTHING they say. I'll stick with the original method of tallying the figures that we did in the very
beginning according to the ECDC guidelines.
Again, do what you want, believe what you want. Have a happy day!

 

[Into the Night]

The only way this virus can ever be controlled is with a national policy.

The United States is organized as a federated republic. No one has the authority to implement any kind of 'policy', short of governor emergency authority, which has long been exceeded.

We cant have every governor doing whatever they want.

The United States is organized as a federated republic. You don't have a choice.

Once state requires masks, another state doesn't, and another is suing their largest city so that their citizens do not have to wear masks.

Masks don't stop Covid19.

Now you explain how this clusterfuck will solve anything.

Nothing to solve. Deaths are going down. They are much lower than in April. Source: CDC.

Red states don't care about doing the right thing, all they want to do is curry favor with trump.

States don't have a color. Trump is a proper noun. It is capitalized. States don't 'curry favor' with any president.

We have a president who refuses to wear a mask, and encourages his flock to do the same. Is there any wonder why we are having 80,000 new cases of the virus every single day.

Base rate fallacy. Hasty conclusion. Argument from randU fallacy.

Masks do not stop a virus. They will not protect you.

 

[BartenderElite]

Back to square one. Sources were provided to what was only REPORTED.
In the U.S. the " healthcare/scientific community" ie CDC is corrupt. The U.S. are inaccurate and inflated.

Hypothetical:
A CDC report claims there are 100 confirmed cases.
The breakdown is actually 60 suspected, 30 probable and 10 confirmed which equals 100 confirmed cases to them now. This is a false representation of the facts.

That's enough for me to not believe ANYTHING they say. I'll stick with the original method of tallying the figures that we did in the very
beginning according to the ECDC guidelines.
Again, do what you want, believe what you want. Have a happy day!

Good. You're joining the rapidly growing conservative movement to reject knowledge, education, experience & expertise of any kind.

I'm sure that will get us very far as a country. Way to do your bit.

 

[Into the Night]

The virus is contained in drops.

No. It's airborne. It can survive intact in dry air for hours to days.

That is why a mask works.

Masks don't stop a virus.

You spray Corona with coughs and sneezes.

No, you don't. Covid19 is in the air. It's everywhere.

The mask stops the drops and therefore stops Corona.

Nope. Covid19 is not spread that way. Masks do not stop viruses.

If you wear one, you contain the drop.

But it does not contain the virus.

If the other person wears one, it prevents the drops from reaching them.

But it does not keep the virus from reaching them.

 

[Stretch]

Good. You're joining the rapidly growing conservative movement to reject knowledge, education, experience & expertise of any kind.

I'm sure that will get us very far as a country. Way to do your bit.

I just spelled out the elementary school math that's used to produce their stats.

 

[Into the Night]

Wow....you still think you no more than everyone.

That's somethin'.

You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. Bigotry.

 

[Stretch]

I just spelled pout the elementary school math that's used to produce their stats.

I've already been posting the quotes that it's from the CDC itself over and over for 4 months!

 

[Stretch]

How are cases reported?

We have three levels of case definition: suspected, probable and confirmed cases. What is measured and reported by governments and international organizations?

International organizations – namely the WHO and European CDC – report case figures submitted by national governments. Wherever possible they aim to report confirmed cases, for two key reasons:

1. They have a higher degree of certainty because they have laboratory confirmation;

2. They held to provide standardised comparisons between countries.

However, international bodies can only provide figures as submitted by national governments and reporting institutions. Countries can define slightly different criteria for how cases are defined and reported.4 Some countries have, over the course of the outbreak, changed their reporting methodologies to also include probable cases.

One example of this is the United States. Until 14th April the US CDC provided daily reports on the number of confirmed cases. However, as of 14th April, it now provides a single figure of cases: the sum of confirmed and probable.

Suspected case figures are usually not reported. The European CDC notes that suspected cases should not be reported at the European level (although countries may record this information for national records) but are used to understand who should be tested for the disease.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases?country=~USA#how-are-cases-reported

*****

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

 

[Into the Night]

Based upon my rough calculations when we the people are getting told " This is what we have to do, this is what the science says we must do, TRUST US!" then there is a 94.6% chance that we are being lied to again.

Yup. It's pretty easy to see when someone is using 'science' as a Holy Religion and buzzword.

 

[Into the Night]

Please let me know exactly how I am being lied to, my dear.

RQAA. Stop asking the same question that's already been answered.

 

[Into the Night]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ingraham?

You've gotta stop watching Fox. Her big "science expert" guest was a Minnesota state senator.

She actually cross referenced it pretty well. She didn't bring up the N95 specification. In my opinion, she should have.

 

[Into the Night]

Good thing it's the healthcare community that is recommending masks.

You don't get to speak for the healthcare community. You only get to speak for you.

Masks do not stop a virus. See the N95 specification.

 

[Into the Night]

I forgot - when she had the MN state senator on, he actually said - after saying mask-wearing didn't work & was a hoax - that people should just cover their mouths when they cough or sneeze.

Like, maybe...with a mask?

You can't make it up. Fox is so dumbed down at this point.

Contextomy fallacy. You're going to have to do better than that.

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

So, now you have bacteria growing in your moist mask and you're inhaling it into your lungs. Way to go Einstein.

Yep! Good call, Stretch.

 

[Into the Night]

Stop trying to play a scientist, or a doctor.

This is not science. It is engineering. See the N95 specification. Masks do not stop a virus.

I swear - if Trump just wore a mask from the start and didn't make any kind of big deal about it, you guys would be right on board. One of the most shameful things when people look back on this - for him, Fox and many on the right - will be the "great mask debate" that he started.

You mask will not protect you.

It's likely thousands died because of it. Maybe 10's of thousands.

The SOTC has mandated masks for over a month. You could not enter a business without wearing a mask. Covid19 cases are rising.

Deaths are down tho, just like they are in the States.

 

[Into the Night]

Stretch, seriously - how many times do you have to be wrong about this pandemic?

What pandemic? 0.3% infection rate and a 0.06% death rate is not an epidemic or pandemic of any consequence.

If YOU don't want to wear a mask, fine - but keep it to yourself.

Masks do not stop a virus. They won't protect you. You are free to wear your good luck talisman on your face, but you look like a hypochondriac dork.

Don't try to argue against medical professionals,

You don't get to speak for medical professionals. You only get to speak for yourself.

and create some sort of "debate."

Not a debate. An argument.

Can't you see this?

See what? Your hypochondria? Your agoraphobia? An attempt by Democrats to fake a panic 'crisis' out of what amounts to be a mild case of the usual winter flu?

You & Fox have made America one of the worst nations in controlling the spread.

I don't consider 0.3% of the population a 'spread'.

It's embarrassing.

No, you're just fear mongering again.

And yet you stick to it. You say no one cares - but a LOT of people care.

You don't get to speak for a lot of people. You only get to speak for you. Bigotry.

There are many who want to see this pandemic end. There are many who wish we had national leadership and a real plan to slow it down. There are many who don't want to die, or have permanent complications. And there are many who would like to more safely go back to schools or their jobs.

You don't get to speak for a lot of people. You only get to speak for you.

So, you are wrong - on every single count.

No, Stretch is right. You are just fear mongering.

Masks do not stop a virus.