What do Nazi and Confederate Flags have to do with ending the lockdown?

[TTQ64]

All of you!

Trump even tweeted a GIF of Thanos when he thought he was inevitable, the moment before Tony Stark snapped him away.

He also compared the treatment of him during this crisis to "Mutiny on the Bounty", which, if you've ever seen the movie, isn't about what he thinks it's about.

Trump literally said this in an interview just last year about the Universal movie "The Hunt": "[Hollywood liberals] create their own violence, and then try to blame others."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159898199802425344

ouch..........that's gotta sting

 

[LV426]

Nobody said the 1st protects you from social consequences. But only intolerant ignorant dirt bags would impose social consequences on people for exercising their opinions.

When you reduce genocide from a call to action to a mere "opinion", you side with Nazis.

n ideology is by definition thoughts which are free expression. You elevate the ideology of Islamists but have no trouble with that group who wants to commit genocide

I said a couple posts ago that I thought Islamists should be killed too. So how did I elevate them? You lost track of the thread.

 

[LV426]

I compared them to ISIS because I read the link you provided about Nazis being a threat and the FBI head said they were elevated to the level of ISIS. It was your source that made that comparison.

And then I immediately said that I thought they should be treated the same way.

You said that ISIS and Nazis are both national threats, and I said we kill ISIS, so then we should kill Nazis too.

 

[LV426]

I never said they were not a threat (since anybody can be a threat) I said they were so small that they have no political power.

But their size and political power doesn't change the threat they pose, as the FBI said.

So Flash, you say that they are a threat, but that they aren't because they have no political power and are "small"...except they're not small, they have millions of people, and a guy in the White House who called them "very fine people". So it would seem that they do have political power; why else would they feel empowered to do what they're doing?

 

[LV426]

I didn't say the ACLU said anything about killing Nazis. I asked are you a supporter or opponent of the ACLU?

I am ambivalent towards the ACLU.

But I am not ambivalent towards Nazis.

You are.

 

[LV426]

ouch..........that's gotta sting

You know, the one tactic I absolutely hate more than anything else is sophistry. Flash is an expert sophist. Every argument is reduced down to its most base common denominator, and the reason is because it's easier for Flash to process base things emotionally, than doing the actual labor of nuance.

 

[Flash]

Yes, you have defended Nazis. Over and over. You have defended them by elevating and equating them with "the left". You do that by casually dismissing them as "small" or "no political power", and then when you do elevate them to compare them to ISIS, you suddenly reverse course on how to deal with them.

You cannot show one post where I defended Nazis other than defending their 1st Amendment rights that are equal to all other people in the U. S. (just a fact).

It doesn't elevate Nazis to compare them to ISIS. It puts them on the same low level of ignorant sociopathological assholes.

You must have a very high opinion of ISIS to think Nazis can be "elevated" to their level. Why do you defend murdering genocidal people. Should they have more 1st amendment freedoms than Nazis?

They should both be dealt with in the same manner and I never said anything different.

I put both groups on the same low level. You are the one who wants to elevate Islamists as somehow better because the U. S. has been mean to them abroad. We weren't that nice to the Nazis, either.

 

[LV426]

You cannot show one post where I defended Nazis other than defending their 1st Amendment rights that are equal to all other people in the U. S. (just a fact).

OK but that is defending Nazis, though, because you defend their call-to-action for genocide as a first amendment right.

So that makes you a collaborator.

It doesn't elevate Nazis to compare them to ISIS. It puts them on the same low level of ignorant sociopathological assholes.

Right, and we show no mercy to ISIS...so...?

You must have a very high opinion of ISIS to think Nazis can be "elevated" to their level. Why do you defend murdering genocidal people. Should they have more 1st amendment freedoms than Nazis?

I said four times that I thought Islamists should be killed. You didn't read it, or you did and chose to ignore it because making sophist arguments is the only thing left here for you to do.

hey should both be dealt with in the same manner and I never said anything different.

Then we agree that Nazis should be killed because that's how we deal with ISIS.

I managed to get Flash to agree that Nazis should be killed.

I put both groups on the same low level. You are the one who wants to elevate Islamists as somehow better because the U. S. has been mean to them abroad. We weren't that nice to the Nazis, either.

Wait - I elevate ISIS by pointing out that we bomb them everywhere, and we should do the same to Nazis?

So...is your position that we shouldn't bomb ISIS???

 

[Flash]

I am ambivalent towards the ACLU.

But I am not ambivalent towards Nazis.

You are.

No ambivalence at all toward Nazis. I don't like anything they stand for.

You don't seem ambivalent toward Muslim extremists. You seem to be a supporter.

Claiming they (Nazis or Islamists) have the same constitutional rights as anybody is not my opinion, it is constitutional law that only you dispute (and some of the other right-wing racists).

 

[LV426]

No ambivalence at all. I don't like anything they stand for. .

It doesn't seem like you really know what they stand for if you think calls for genocide are merely "an opinion".

You don't seem ambivalent toward Muslim extremists. You seem to be a supporter.

What makes you say that? The part where I said we bomb ISIS, or the parts where I said Islamists should be killed? It was only like 8 posts ago...

Claiming they have the same constitutional rights as anybody is not my opinion, it is constitutional law that only you dispute (and some of the other right-wing racists).

You don't have a Constitutional right to genocide.

 

[Flash]

I said four times that I thought Islamists should be killed. You didn't read it, or you did and chose to ignore it because making sophist arguments is the only thing left here for you to do.

You want to kill Islamists (and Nazis) if they are in the U. S. legally and committing no crimes? That is called murder.

Activities abroad are a completely different question--don't confuse the two. We don't bomb ISIS in the U. S.

Then we agree that Nazis should be killed because that's how we deal with ISIS.

I managed to get Flash to agree that Nazis should be killed.




Wait - I elevate ISIS by pointing out that we bomb them everywhere, and we should do the same to Nazis?

So...is your position that we shouldn't bomb ISIS???[/QUOTE]

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[LV426]

You want to kill Islamists (and Nazis) if they are in the U. S. legally and committing no crimes? That is called murder.

The FBI says both are "national threats".

Do you hug national threats?

 

[LV426]

Activities abroad are a completely different question--don't confuse the two. We don't bomb ISIS in the U. S.

They're not a different question...extremism is extremism.

And we have dropped bombs on "extremist groups" in this country before (Philadelphia, 1985: https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/8/8/20747198/philadelphia-bombing-1985-move).

And we have illegally detained citizens, tortured them, and denied them due process (Gitmo, 2001-present: https://theintercept.com/2019/06/21/guantanamo-bay-indefinite-detention/).

And we also have cops shooting people they think are a threat (Chicago, 2 months ago: https://apnews.com/6d264b727ffdb6077c651730d2e45561).

Well, there's no better justification for shooting someone than them being "a national threat", right?

 

[Flash]

It doesn't seem like you really know what they stand for if you think calls for genocide are merely "an opinion"

It is "mere advocacy" and you can advocate anything you want as long as no action is taken toward that act.[Supreme Court of the United States]

What genocide are you talking about? I don't think any group has been wiped out in recent years in the U. S.

 

[Flash]

They're not a different question...extremism is extremism.

And we have dropped bombs on "extremist groups" in this country before.

And we have illegally detained citizens, tortured them, and denied them due process.

And we also have cops shooting people they think are a threat.

Well, there's no better justification for shooting someone than them being "a national threat", right?

Laws for domestic cases are very different than combat abroad or even for domestic spies.

When did we drop bombs on extremist groups in the U. S.?

How was detaining people or torturing them "illegal" if we can legally kill people we think are threats according to you (which is not true)?

 

[Flash]

The FBI says both are "national threats".

Do you hug national threats?

You think that gives law enforcement the power to kill them? You completely misunderstand the meaning of a "national threat." They still have the same rights as every other group. Nothing can be done unless they commit a crime or conspire to do so.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

What do Nazi and Confederate Flags have to do with ending the lockdown?

absolutely nothing....but that won't keep you from asking.....

 

[Into the Night]

It's also a normal thing for the police to shoot people they think are a threat, and since Nazis have been identified as a "national threat", it would seem perfectly normal for the police to start gunning them down.

If it's good enough for unarmed black men, it's good enough for Nazis.

They are not threatening anyone. They are not Nazis.

 

[Into the Night]

Man ,was that a big fat lie The protesters are showing what they believe in, and it is not the Constitution.

You have never read the Constitution. Ask me how I know.

 

[Into the Night]

Complete BS. Police cannot shoot people who may or may not be a member of a group seen as a national threat. Police can only shoot if they are in immediate danger of being harmed.

Correct.