Devout CATHOLICS Bishop Biden & Pope Pelosi - have Dem voters found religion?

[BattleofHodow]

But that's only Protestants in America. European Protestants, including in the UK, opposed the war. The reason Bush had the support he did was because so many people in the red states blindly believe anything the Republicans do. These are the retards who say things like, the KKK is run by Democrats. Very different from the Protestants of Europe and the American blue states.

And Bush's war actually did have a lot of support from Catholic establishment Democrats like Biden. One of the few things Trump and Pelosi agree on is the supposed need for more military action. Which just shows that the military industrial complex goes beyond both party and religion.

There's a study on Polish Americans.

http://www.piastinstitute.org/uploads/6/9/8/8/69881853/polish_americans_today_survey_book_2012.pdf

They clearly are swing voters.

Polish Americans respond about the same as the America ave on Abortion.

Polish Americans respond slightly more that Obama's Stimulus will do nothing than the America ave.

Polish Americans responded less likely to support the War in Afghanistan, than the general American ave.

Polish Americans responded slightly more likely to support healthcare,than the general American ave.

Polish Americans were more likely to say Immigrants weren't a good thing, than the general American ave.

Polish Americans were less likely to say the Death Penalty was good,than the general American ave.

Polish Americans were more likely to say Global Warming has to be dealt with,than the general American ave.

Polish Americans were far more likely to support Palestine independence, than the general American ave.

Polish Americans were slightly more likely to say Same Sex marriage was not a good thing, than the general American ave.

Polish Americans were slightly more Democrat than Republican.

But, Polish Americans put down more Conservative than Liberal, at the same time.

Although, I must also point out, the ones who filed out the poll here, were quite wealthier than the Polish American average.

I suspect, Abortion & Illegal immigration is more frowned upon by the real Polish Americans.

 

[BattleofHodow]

In some ways, but they have also contributed so many positive things. We definitely wouldn't have had the Enlightenment without the English and the Germans.

The Renaissance comes from Catholic Italy with figures like Da Vinci, Galileo, Michangelo,
and
the Scientific Revolution is widely considered to start with Polish Catholic Copernicus, who created Scientific theory with the Heliocentric model, also started modern economics with the Quantity Theory of Money.

Besides, Rene Descartes a French Catholic, is widely considered to have started the Enlightenment.

 

[BattleofHodow]

I wasn't aware that they said they did. Did they?

If single cell organisms are life, so is a fetus.

 

[BattleofHodow]

In some ways, but they have also contributed so many positive things. We definitely wouldn't have had the Enlightenment without the English and the Germans.

English had more resources from plundering much of the World.

I'll admit that at one time, they were superior, with Newton & the Industrial Revolution.(Largely because they were much richer than Europe, giving them better nutrition & more money to build up society)

What about now, however?

As I pointed out earlier, even the best scientists Poles have produced in the past 150 years are probably better than the best scientists England has produced.

Like Polish Nikodem Poplawski known as Next Einstein, he came up with the theory that every Black hole has another Universe.

Like Polish Abraham Michelson, who came up with many theories which influenced Einstein.

Like Polish Marie Cure Sklodowska, the ONLY one to win 2 Nobel prizes in science, for chemistry & physics of Radium, and even eligible for a 3rd in Medicine, for inventing Portable X-Rays, and pioneering Radiotherapy.


I'll admit to English scientists like Dirac, or Hawkings, or Rutherford.

But, to me the Polish scientists I listed, are even better.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Sure, but that's humans in general. The Norse had the Vikings, the Greeks had the Spartans, the Japanese had the Samurai, and on and on.

Poles had Winged Hussars.
Responsible for the charge at Vienna in 1683, the largest cavalry charge in history, which beat bigger Turkish forces.

But, how many did we kill in genocide, how many did we enslave?

 

[StoneByStone]

The Renaissance comes from Catholic Italy with figures like Da Vinci, Galileo, Michangelo,
and
the Scientific Revolution is widely considered to start with Polish Catholic Copernicus, who created Scientific theory with the Heliocentric model, also started modern economics with the Quantity Theory of Money.

Besides, Rene Descartes a French Catholic, is widely considered to have started the Enlightenment.

The Enlightenment couldn't have happened without Martin Luther. And most of the philosophers were English.
I think all of Europe contributed a lot, though.

 

[StoneByStone]

If single cell organisms are life, so is a fetus.

They're not "intelligent life," which is really what people mean when they talk about abortion. If you want to get super technical, sperm is alive, so every time you cum, you commit mass murder.

 

[StoneByStone]

English had more resources from plundering much of the World.

I'll admit that at one time, they were superior, with Newton & the Industrial Revolution.(Largely because they were much richer than Europe, giving them better nutrition & more money to build up society)

What about now, however?

As I pointed out earlier, even the best scientists Poles have produced in the past 150 years are probably better than the best scientists England has produced.

Like Polish Nikodem Poplawski known as Next Einstein, he came up with the theory that every Black hole has another Universe.

Like Polish Abraham Michelson, who came up with many theories which influenced Einstein.

Like Polish Marie Cure Sklodowska, the ONLY one to win 2 Nobel prizes in science, for chemistry & physics of Radium, and even eligible for a 3rd in Medicine, for inventing Portable X-Rays, and pioneering Radiotherapy.


I'll admit to English scientists like Dirac, or Hawkings, or Rutherford.

But, to me the Polish scientists I listed, are even better.

I don't know which country produced the best or the most. I'm just saying the Germanic peoples have produced a lot of good people and things. I think they've been a net positive for Western Civilization and the world.

 

[StoneByStone]

Poles had Winged Hussars.
Responsible for the charge at Vienna in 1683, the largest cavalry charge in history, which beat bigger Turkish forces.

But, how many did we kill in genocide, how many did we enslave?

Well some Poles were involved in both the Holocaust and the Soviet atrocities.
I'm a big believer that there has been good and bad in every ethnicity. I'm a Nationalist, but not because I dislike any ethnic group.

 

[BattleofHodow]

The Enlightenment couldn't have happened without Martin Luther. And most of the philosophers were English.
I think all of Europe contributed a lot, though.

Polish philosopher Goslicki was very important during the Renaissance, he was among the first, if not the first of Philosophers to argue for Liberty, Freedom of Religion, and Government leaders being subjected to the law like anybody else.

Much of the philosophers were Eastern Germans, presumably with a lot of Slavic (Polish blood)

Leibniz was half Slavic Sorb & probably 30% Slavic on his German side, because about 30% of Germans from that region have Slavic blood.

Nietzsche considered himself more of a Pole, and said his ancestors were Polish Nietzki, not sure how true.
But, there is a Polish surname Niecki pronounced Nietzki.

Nietzsche thought Poles were superior to Germans, and that Germans entered the talented nations from a strong mixture of Polish blood.

I can see why Nietzsche thought that.

His philosopher peers were mostly from Slavic / Polish territories.

Like Immanuel Kant, from Kognisberg.

Christian Wolff from Wroclaw.

Schopenhauer from Gdansk.

Leibniz, Schopenhauer & Kant were all Hyperbrachycephalic in skull form.

Brachycephalic skulls are very common across the whole of Poland, but not in North Germany.

Although, South Germans like Austrians, Swiss, Bavarians & Swabians are mostly Brachycephalic.

But, North & East Germany is mostly Dolichocephalic to Mesocephalic.

Any East German with Brachycephalic skulls, is obviously of Slavic origins

Yes, that also includes Von Hindenberg, who looked to me more Polish than German.

As well as Wernher Von Braun, who was visibly Brachycephalic & from Polish territories.

Von Braun was definitely part Polish, Slavic, his paternal grandmothers surname Von Gostkowski is of Polish origins, while his paternal surname Von Quisdorp is of Slavic Polabian origins.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Well some Poles were involved in both the Holocaust and the Soviet atrocities.
I'm a big believer that there has been good and bad in every ethnicity. I'm a Nationalist, but not because I dislike any ethnic group.

Most Polish Nazi collaborators were forced into it by penalty.
A lot of them actually betrayed the Nazis.

As for Soviet atrocities, Soviet Poland did kill & expel some Poles, Germans & Ukrainians.

But, this UB was under Jakub Berman, Stalin's Right hand man in Poland.

With a name like Jakub Berman, can you guess his real heritage?

Also Salomon Morel enslaved & butchered Poles & Germans.

With a name like Salomon Morel, can you guess his real heritage?

 

[BattleofHodow]

They're not "intelligent life," which is really what people mean when they talk about abortion. If you want to get super technical, sperm is alive, so every time you cum, you commit mass murder.

So, now life has to be intelligent, to be life?

 

[Legion]

Now both Biden & Pelosi are using their religion as a shield.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Well some Poles were involved in both the Holocaust and the Soviet atrocities.
I'm a big believer that there has been good and bad in every ethnicity. I'm a Nationalist, but not because I dislike any ethnic group.

The Nazi SS were from all over Europe, but Poland was the ONLY nation without any notable SS units.

About 80% of Poles fighting in WW2 fought on the Armia Krajowa side.
About 15% on the Soviet side.
About 5% were Nazi collaborators.

Many of these Armia Krajowa heroes who fought Nazis through out WW2, were killed, or imprisoned for being anti-Soviet following WW2.

Most notable being Pole Witold Pilecki, tortured, and given a death sentence by Roman "Romkowski" born Natan Grünspan-Kikiel, or Jozef Rozanski, born Josef Goldberg.

That's with Witold Pilecki, being a captain in Armia Krajowa during the anti-Nazi Warsaw Uprising.

That's with Witold Pilecki volunteering to be captured to Auschwitz, to gather information about the Holocaust, and document it in Witold's Report.

This Witold's Report was the first full documentation of the Holocaust, sent to the Allies.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Well some Poles were involved in both the Holocaust and the Soviet atrocities.
I'm a big believer that there has been good and bad in every ethnicity. I'm a Nationalist, but not because I dislike any ethnic group.

The best Germans were mostly East Germans.

Oskar Schindler was a German, from Slovakia.

Poles produced better saviors of Jews than Oskar Schindler.

Like Poles like Eugene Lazowski, Henryk Slawik, or Irena Sendler - Krzyżanowska.

The Valkyrie plot against Hitler included East Germans like Olbricht, and Von Teschkow.
1 Swabian German von Stauffenberg who traces ancestors back to some East Germans, anyways like von Gneisenau from Saxony.

 

[StoneByStone]

Polish philosopher Goslicki was very important during the Renaissance, he was among the first, if not the first of Philosophers to argue for Liberty, Freedom of Religion, and Government leaders being subjected to the law like anybody else.

None of that could have actually happened without the Reformation.
Not that I'm a big fan of Martin Luther, but I do recognize that his movement freed Europe from the stronghold of the Catholic church. I think that's why Germans have been so overrepresented among philosophers.

Nietzsche considered himself more of a Pole, and said his ancestors were Polish Nietzki, not sure how true.
But, there is a Polish surname Niecki pronounced Nietzki.
Nietzsche thought Poles were superior to Germans, and that Germans entered the talented nations from a strong mixture of Polish blood.

Yeah, I read about that too. I think it's more that Nietzsche just didn't like Nationalism so he rebelled against his own country by saying he wasn't German. He also legally renounced his Prussian citizenship, which was kinda silly. I still like Nietzsche a lot.

Brachycephalic skulls are very common across the whole of Poland, but not in North Germany.

Although, South Germans like Austrians, Swiss, Bavarians & Swabians are mostly Brachycephalic.

But, North & East Germany is mostly Dolichocephalic to Mesocephalic.

Any East German with Brachycephalic skulls, is obviously of Slavic origins

Using skulls to define race and ancestry fell out of favor because skulls change based on environment during childhood.
Franz Boas did an interesting study involving immigrants and their children. He found that the cephalic index differed greatly between the parents, who grew up in Europe, and their children, who grew up in America. If cephalic index can change that much in only one generation, it's not a good way to measure race or ancestry.

I do agree that most East Germans have Slavic ancestry, but only because there is genetic evidence outside of skull shape.

 

[BattleofHodow]

None of that could have actually happened without the Reformation.
Not that I'm a big fan of Martin Luther, but I do recognize that his movement freed Europe from the stronghold of the Catholic church. I think that's why Germans have been so overrepresented among philosophers.



Yeah, I read about that too. I think it's more that Nietzsche just didn't like Nationalism so he rebelled against his own country by saying he wasn't German. He also legally renounced his Prussian citizenship, which was kinda silly. I still like Nietzsche a lot.



Using skulls to define race and ancestry fell out of favor because skulls change based on environment during childhood.
Franz Boas did an interesting study involving immigrants and their children. He found that the cephalic index differed greatly between the parents, who grew up in Europe, and their children, who grew up in America. If cephalic index can change that much in only one generation, it's not a good way to measure race or ancestry.

I do agree that most East Germans have Slavic ancestry, but only because there is genetic evidence outside of skull shape.

Ah, you see Goslicki did influence the Polish Warsaw Confederation in the late 1500's, the first really explosive freedom of religion movement, he arguably influenced the first European Enlightened Polish Constitution the May 3rd, 1791 Constitution.
Offering at least 3X more voting rights than the barely earlier USA Constitution.

Martin Luther might have had some valid criticisms.

But, the Bible says that those reformations must be made within the One True Church, AKA Catholics the first church.

That those who quarrel among Christian sects, are to be considered as traitors, and sinners.

(Something very similar to this) I'm just going off the top of my head.

But, indeed the existence of Protestants has caused a lot of blood shed in Europe.

Especially, in the 30 Year War...


East Germans have a good deal of Slavic blood.

Autosomal Genetic put East Germans as something like 37% Polish & 63% Dutch.

As for Y- Haplogroups, East Germany is 24% R1a, Poland 56%R1a, and West Germany 8% R1a.

So, yes, East Germans have a good deal of Slavic bloodlines.


Boaz was kind of an idiot.
While, environment can change skull form.

There's definitely a lot of other factors.

For example, Switzerland is Brachycephalic & has been wealthy for eons.

As opposed to Ireland is Dolichocephalic - Mesocephalic & was long poorer.

So, the claim that Brachycephalic skulls are just from malnutrition alone can't be the full reality.

 

[StoneByStone]

Most Polish Nazi collaborators were forced into it by penalty.
A lot of them actually betrayed the Nazis.

As for Soviet atrocities, Soviet Poland did kill & expel some Poles, Germans & Ukrainians.

But, this UB was under Jakub Berman, Stalin's Right hand man in Poland.

With a name like Jakub Berman, can you guess his real heritage?

Also Salomon Morel enslaved & butchered Poles & Germans.

With a name like Salomon Morel, can you guess his real heritage?

Well many Poles probably have German ancestry. I'd guess most. So if we're going to say they weren't Polish because they had German ancestry, that also takes out a lot of the Polish who did good things.

 

[StoneByStone]

So, now life has to be intelligent, to be life?

Well that's what counts in the context or moral decisions, such as abortion. When we talk about murder, we're not talking about killing cells, we're talking about killing a being that has thoughts and can feel pain.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Well many Poles probably have German ancestry. I'd guess most. So if we're going to say they weren't Polish because they had German ancestry, that also takes out a lot of the Polish who did good things.

There's more Slavic blood in Germans, than Germanic blood in Poles.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.462.5090&rep=rep1&type=pdf

To tell you the truth, I suspect Poles are mostly a mix of Eastern LBK & Eastern Corded ware.

Germans being Southern LBK, Eastern Bell Beaker, and Western Corded ware.

Scandinavians are the most LBK.

Why do I say this?

LBK had a lot of I1a haplopgroup & G haplogroups.

I1a haplogroups & G haplogroups are fairly in Kashubian Poles, although they still have a lot of R1a haplogroup like Slavic groups.

I1a haplogroup is of course, the main haplogroup of the Norse.

Although, some portions of Norway have mostly R1a like Poland, or R1b like Celts & Basque.

Cordedware had R1a like Poland, and Bell Beakers R1b like Basque & Celts.


PS.
LBK were renown for their first ever mass murders on European soil, like at the Talheim Death Pit in Germany.