Most and least educated states in the U.S.

[Walt]

Charter schools tend to be in poorer neighborhoods. There is a demand for them there because of the poor or failing public schools. If you move to a rich area with a good public school there's far less demand for charter schools.

Charter schools are usually imposed from the outside. So a state might want to steal some extra money from inner cities, and push charter schools on them to reduce their budget. Then they will improve budgets outside of the inner city.

 

[cawacko]

Charter schools are usually imposed from the outside. So a state might want to steal some extra money from inner cities, and push charter schools on them to reduce their budget. Then they will improve budgets outside of the inner city.

Is that what Joel Klein did? Was he an agent of the state?

 

[Into the Night]

You would think those red states would be doing better since we are always being told the blue states are subsidizing them with tax dollars.

That income redistribution idea of taking from the rich and giving to the poor seems to be counter-productive. We need to tell Sanders and Warren before they do something stupid.

Too late! They've already done a lot of things stupid!

 

[Into the Night]

The deep South and the new South are all trump States so they are homophobic and racist

Fallacy fallacy. Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

there really is no conversation here I don't even know why you're trying the numbers are the numbers it's very easy to research the southern states are shitholes States

Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

All politicians spend our money. We as voters have the duty to ponder what we want it spent on, then vote for the candidates most likely to follow our priorities. Education is not a priority for (R)s. Sure, they scream loudly when forced to admit that America's kids are falling behind other countries' students in the education realm. But their answer is to impose more testing ("No Child Left Behind") while doing nothing to make actual effective changes.

The No Child Left Behind Act was a bipartisian bill, initiated and passed by both parties. It failed and was canceled in 2015.

The Federal government has no authority to define or control education.

 

[Micawber]

Time for a debate interlude:

Q: How do you circumcise a redneck?
A: You kick his sister in the jaw.

 

[Into the Night]

I do like standardized testing though. You need to do some sort of science to locate what needs fixing the most. I don't want morons doing Jesus tests
or stomping out science and passing on the kids only to lose jobs to Trump's Mubai based cheesy power tie factories.

How long until the Christians allege arithmetic is a culture war weapon against them? Probably next election cycle. Integers are satan's playground.

Standardized testing did not stop graduates from K-12 that couldn't count money, balance their own checkbooks, or even construct a proper English sentence much of the time. It did not stop the use of schools as propaganda centers.

 

[Into the Night]

What is it Democrats are doing to improve education if its supposedly a priority for them?


Edit: And I agree with you that NCLB was cr*p. Total federal overreach with over emphasis on testing. That was the ultimate bi-partisan boondoggle.

They aren't. They are implementing the propaganda programs you see in the schools.

 

[Bigdog]

So a State that has 16-86% of the population identifying themselves as black and non-Hispanic is a 'black' state?? I assume that is what you mean by this diagram.

I note that no source is given for this data, or any indication is given on when the data was collected or by who, or by what means the data was collected.
Do you have this?

It comes from here ... http://www.censusscope.org/

The 2010 census map verifies what most people already suspected. Do you have data that contradicts their findings?

 

[katzgar]

Bigotry.

there really is no conversation here I don't even know why you're trying the numbers are the numbers it's very easy to research the southern states are shitholes States

 

[Walt]

Is that what Joel Klein did? Was he an agent of the state?

You said NYC was the exception. I would call it unusual. Whatever, clearly I was not referring to it when I said "usually."

 

[Into the Night]

It comes from here ... http://www.censusscope.org/

The 2010 census map verifies what most people already suspected. Do you have data that contradicts their findings?

Thank you. It is not due to conflict I asked you. Before I accept data, I must know its source, who collected it and when, and for what purpose, and I must have access to the raw data itself. By answering my question, you have satisfied this. I have a higher standard for accepting data than most people, you see. Without this information I asked of you, and which you so politely answered, I simply consider the data random numbers of type randU (made up in someone's head) until I know that information.

This data is a graphical representation of those checking the African-American checkbox on their 2000 Census forms. The data was collected in 2000 and collated into this form by the University of Michigan using software they wrote. The purpose of collecting the data was to satisfy federal law. The purpose in collecting this part of the data is politically motivated to satisfy 'fair practices' policies. Nothing about actual skin color or heritage forces a choice on the form. There being no pure race anywhere on Earth, it is hard to consider anyone 'black', 'white', 'red', or 'yellow'. People of African heritage are often considered to be 'black', particularly if they come from central Africa. The term 'nigger' is a corruption of the nation of Nigeria, used in a denigrating manner. The term 'negro' stems from Spanish and Latin, meaning 'dark'. Depending on where you are, it may be used as an insult, or simply used to describe people of such heritage, similar to the way we use 'black' (and the way most people used 'negro' in the past).

That said, there are those brought into the U.S. over time as slaves, originally captured in Africa, and their descendants are still here (though fortunately now freed). Starting from owning nothing, their opportunities over the years have of course been limited. It was not until the 60's they had anything resembling equal rights at all, despite the 13th and 14th amendments. This includes obtaining education. It has been a difficult history for them, especially since Democrats are still racist, and are still trying to 'put them in their place'. The plantations of the past are not gone. They just moved into the cities. The whole attitude of keeping these people 'in their place' is just sick.

The only reason Obama became President is because he is one of the owners of that new 'plantation', so to speak. He enslaved his own, just as free black men enslaved their own in the South.

The States themselves have no color. The 2020 Census may be rather enlightening of the changes that occurred in the last decade, once collected and collated.

 

[Into the Night]

there really is no conversation here I don't even know why you're trying the numbers are the numbers it's very easy to research the southern states are shitholes States

Bigotry.

 

[katzgar]

thats true.

bingo that

 

[Bigdog]

Thank you. It is not due to conflict I asked you. Before I accept data, I must know its source, who collected it and when, and for what purpose, and I must have access to the raw data itself. By answering my question, you have satisfied this. I have a higher standard for accepting data than most people,

Yes, you do. :0) And that's a good thing.

 

[Saudade]

The deep South and the new South are all trump States so they are homophobic and racist

What part of the North are you from? You sound more like a kneejerk leftist from the West Coast. Portland or San Francisco would be perfect for you.

 

[Saudade]

there really is no conversation here I don't even know why you're trying the numbers are the numbers it's very easy to research the southern states are shitholes States

You got one thing right. I don't see much of a conversation with you.

 

[Micawber]

Standardized testing did not stop graduates from K-12 that couldn't count money, balance their own checkbooks, or even construct a proper English sentence much of the time. It did not stop the use of schools as propaganda centers.

Those are all great suggestions for class study, but they don't diminish the argument for standardized testing of core curriculum.

If a swath of Tumblefuck Mississippi was graduating children who were 4 grades behind those in Marin County in proper English, Algebra, History and science
wouldn't you want objective proof of it? You can't stick 50 thermometers with 50 different liquids in a roast and tell when it is done.

You can't fix a problem until you identify it. I didn't say get rid of you blessed right to practice voodoo or petition Odin for new head horns
for Christmas. I just said common tests on core subjects is good.

Empiricism isn't propaganda, by the way. Rational humans call it truth.

 

[Into the Night]

Those are all great suggestions for class study, but they don't diminish the argument for standardized testing of core curriculum.

Actually, it does.

WHO gets to decide the standard? Is the standard good for everyone, no matter where they are in the United States (or in the world?). Who are THEY to specify what a valid standard is? On what basis? Gut feel? A magick credential? A Holy Blessing by the Priests?

If a swath of Tumblefuck Mississippi was graduating children who were 4 grades behind those in Marin County in proper English, Algebra, History and science
wouldn't you want objective proof of it?

Can they use algebra to convert an equation from one form to another? Do they know what a theory of science is? Can they manipulate and use the equation F=mA? Define 'proper English'. There are many dialects. No K-12 school in my experience is teaching history.

You can't stick 50 thermometers with 50 different liquids in a roast and tell when it is done.

Actually, you can.

You can't fix a problem until you identify it.

I just identified it.

I didn't say get rid of you blessed right to practice voodoo or petition Odin for new head horns
for Christmas.

Do you think Odin will listen to my prayers? Maybe I should've been there to stop Loki from burning down Valhalla.

I just said common tests on core subjects is good.

Is it? Why? I have shown the problems with it. Can you answer my concerns?

Empiricism isn't propaganda, by the way. Rational humans call it truth.

No.

All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology. It is phenomenology that defines words like 'real', 'reality', and 'truth'.

Rationality only denotes a set of arguments free of fallacies and contain no paradoxes.