You even want to disarm cops? Yeah, that's not going to work very well....
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You even want to disarm cops? Yeah, that's not going to work very well....
If you think needing a gun makes you a "little bitch", do you regard women who carry to be that way? What about the ones who carry specifically because they have to worry about an abusive ex-husband or ex-boyfriend?
You're delusional if you think a buyback program would work here. In the countries where these confiscation schemes "work", the gun ownership rate beforehand is nowhere near what it is here, and guns don't figure into the culture much. It "worked" in Australia for these reasons.
It would be a monumental failure if implemented here. It would also create a larger illegal market than the current one for drugs.
So much nonsense and not a single word about how our system doesn't properly handle mental illness.
Pass an Amendment if you actually believe that. Until then, it's a Constitutional right. And before you try to use semantics on the 2nd Amendment, DC v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago did in fact rule that it applies to citizens and not just militias.
The always predictable “well, take out this or that....” bullshit.
Sorry punk. You don’t get to cherry pick until you get the answer you want.
GUN DEATH RATE, dumbfuck. Highest in westernized cultures.
Why is that? The answer is obvious except to you brain dead barrel strokers.
Yes, the answer is obvious, and it's mental healthcare. Suicide by gun was a lot less common in the 50s and 60s, and we had pretty loose gun laws then.
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What, you think VD426 wants to get shot while he's abusing women? Don't be silly. Abusers hate force multipliers.
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Australia actually has more guns now than before the buyback. But still less than 1% the number of guns in the USA. https://www.smh.com.au/national/mor...t-arthur-massacre-report-20190327-p5188m.html
In 2017, there were an estimated 3.6 million firearms in Australia, compared with 3.2 million in 1996 - the year of the Port Arthur mass killings. In 1997, after former prime minister John Howard’s successful guns buyback, there were an estimated 2.5 million firearms in the country.
Mostly small arms were used by the Taliban in Afghanistan, and after all these years, the most powerful military in the world negotiates with them.
Insurgencies aren't about taking on tanks and planes head-on. It's about shootouts in various environments. An insurgency here would involve primarily urban areas.
Our own government understands this principle, because we send a lot of small arms to various insurgencies throughout the world.
Small scale buyback programs have already been tried, and sometimes, they have some interesting unintended consequences.
For two months in 1974, the Baltimore Police Department ran what is believed to have been the first gun buyback program in the U.S. Police commissioner Donald Pomerleau, not known as an advocate for strict gun control, reportedly came up with the idea while at a funeral for an officer who was shot in the line of duty. Operation PASS (People Against Senseless Shootings) paid a $50 "bounty" for surrendered guns and $100 for tips leading to the confiscation of illegal guns. Some bounty seekers attempted to game the system by buying cheap, new guns that retailed for $21.95 and then trying to turn them in. In all, the police collected 13,500 firearms - mostly handguns - at a cost of over $660,000. However, the city's already high gun homicide and assault rates actually increased during the program, for which police officials offered no explanation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#Maryland
Another interesting one involved Seattle.
Seattle would again make headlines for its bold gun buyback program in 2013, but perhaps not for the reasons the programs sponsors and organizers would have liked. While the program, could be considered a success, collecting more than 700 guns, handing out almost $70,000 in gift cards and even netting a Stinger missile launcher tube (minus the missile), the program also had a widely unanticipated effect from the local gun buying community. Hundreds of gun buyers showed up to the event seeking to offer cash for valuable antiques or functioning second hand firearms. The lack of any need for background check in transactions involving private firearms sales turned the city sponsored event into an open air gun bazaar. Since then other cities have experienced similar situations, including private sales and/or local gun owners taking advantage of lucrative gift card offers to unload rusted or non-functioning firearms onto the police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#Washington
Except for the fact that the vast majority of gun owners don't have their weapons stolen and that the numbers you just mentioned are tiny compared to how many guns are purchased annually, and how many guns are currently in circulation.
If we didn't have many guns in circulation and didn't have many gun purchases per year, then those numbers would probably be shocking. There are upwards of 20 million guns sold in the US per year, and there are about 121 guns per 100 people in America (almost 400 million guns).
So yeah, 200,000 is actually a small number in that context.
If you believe it's a "tortured read of those words", then tell the Supreme Court that. Two cases have now settled the issue as relating to private citizens, not just militias.
Dense is a good description of not acknowledging legal precedents.
Actually, the vast majority of gun owners never have to fire their gun in defense, nor is there any evidence that they engage in said fantasies. Lately, however, there have been some knifings that were ethnically motivated against Jews by black racists. Said Jews would be in better shape right now if they had guns to defend themselves against these racists.
Your comparison isn't very "sober", since it's like saying that you have a 0% chance of dying in a car wreck if you never drive or ride in a car. Gun owners also don't have a 100% chance of having their gun stolen by thieves and criminals armed with guns. That doesn't even make any sense.
So preventing gun deaths really isn't your motivation for gun control.
Sure, if there were no criminals, there would be no shootings either. If there were no knives, there would be no knifings.
Your logic is very reductionist.
The right never said shit about mental health care until they couldn't defend the ease of access to weapons that are able to kill lots of people in a short time.
Your hero, Ronny Reagan, basically said "fuck you, you're on your own" to the mentally disabled.
The answer is obvious. The number and ease of availability of firearms.
The right hasn't done shit for mental health in this country.
Well, you actually said that you didn't care about the suicides. That's 60% of gun deaths.
Are you sure you want to go down that road? The left is pretty vulnerable with that question. Take, for example, abortion.
Nevertheless, your question is inapplicable to simply buying a gun. If I buy or possess a gun, that alone does not kill anyone.
By the same logic, we should outlaw alcohol again. Drunk driving was pretty uncommon during Prohibition.
He wasn't my hero. And by the way, I was pro-gun long before I became conservative. It was one of the few disagreements I had with the left back in the 90s and early 2000s.
Granted, there is a part of the left that has always been pro-gun -- the part that distrusts government. They tend to get shouted down by progressives, however.
And again, populists make up a lot of the GOP now. Many of them, like myself, support the idea of bringing back public mental health systems and such. You're right that the right undermined these systems a while back.
Granted, some of the blame can also be put on misguided reformers that thought involuntary commitment was "inhumane."
Which is why you can't be taken seriously.
That shows you don't know much about guns. Crossbows have nowhere near the range of many guns.
Also, several types of bullets can penetrate many more things than crossbow bolts can.