If the Senate allows a fair trial...

Earl said:
This is when:

Poll: Clinton leads by 12 points - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com › 2016/10 › clinton-trump-poll-abc-news-230199
Oct 23, 2016 - Hillary Clinton has opened up a 12-point advantage over Donald ... just 39 percent of likely voters think Clinton winning through vote...”


The phony impeachment with no crimes committed is proof that the Democrats have concluded that the only way to win in 2020 is through impeachment.

They will lose to Trump...again.
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Don't count your chickens, Mr. Earl.

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Frank Apisa said:
Don, calm down.

I spoke out forcefully and regularly against impeachment...until the Judiciary Committee hearings. I spoke out here in this forum...and the other where I also post. I also spoke out against thoughts of putting that disgusting piece of classless garbage into prison...arguing that is not the kind of thing we do, even to disgraced presidents.

So do not give me that lying crap.
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For what it's worth I remember you speaking out against impeachment, and I was surprised.
 
OG Yurt said:
I call facts and truth when I see them. This has nothing to do with Trump. To be honest, I really don't like him personally, however the Economy is well.

The prosecutor was also beginning to look into Hunter Biden's company....and wham, all of a sudden Biden cares about his supposed corruption? LOL. Trump didn't offer or withhold anything to Ukraine.

Are you seriously going to sit there and claim a US President cannot investigate possible corruption just because the person (among many other candidates) is running against him and that Biden's son should be safe? Really?

So the Democrats use an ex foreign spy to make up a meadowmuffin dossier trashing Trump and then used that dossier to get a FISA warrant....and that is totally cool with you? But Trump, genuinely (the transcripts show he said "for the country [USA]") sought to uncover corruption and that is impeachable? Really?

I guess next time I commit a corruptible and possibly illegal act, I'll run for President....Then I'll be immune....
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I'm saying that trump didn't give a rat's ass about investigating HB or Joe until Joe announced his candidacy. Repubs in Congress knew about HB since 2014. trump knew about him since... well, who knows, he's such a dimwit, but he never made a move until the middle of 2019. Frankly I don't see why you or anybody doesn't question the timing of this. It's so obviously about trying to get dirt on a candidate that trump is very, very worried about.

trump met with Ukraine president Poroshenko twice in 2017, and never asked him to investigate HB. That's very telling.

trump doesn't care about corruption unless he thinks it's his enemies' corruption. Look at all the corrupt people in his own circle that trump defended to the bitter end.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm saying that trump didn't give a rat's ass about investigating HB or Joe until Joe announced his candidacy. Repubs in Congress knew about HB since 2014. trump knew about him since... well, who knows, he's such a dimwit, but he never made a move until the middle of 2019. Frankly I don't see why you or anybody doesn't question the timing of this. It's so obviously about trying to get dirt on a candidate that trump is very, very worried about.

trump met with Ukraine president Poroshenko twice in 2017, and never asked him to investigate HB. That's very telling.

trump doesn't care about corruption unless he thinks it's his enemies' corruption. Look at all the corrupt people in his own circle that trump defended to the bitter end.
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Biden had been running for about a year Christielie.

You don't care about corruption. If you evil democrats really cared about corruption, why not investigate Biden like you have Trump? Where is your dossier on Biden?

Yeah, thats what I thought.
 
Darth Omar said:
I’d say Trump has done a fair job of rooting out corruption in the FBI, wouldn’t you?

And he didn’t even lift a finger lol.
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If you think the FBI is corrupt then you'll applaud trump. How many "corrupt" people in the FBI lost their jobs now?

You guys are funny. You LOVED the FBI when Comey re-opened the Hillary investigation a week or so before the election.
 
OG Yurt said:
Biden had been running for about a year Christielie.

You don't care about corruption. If you evil democrats really cared about corruption, why not investigate Biden like you have Trump? Where is your dossier on Biden?

Yeah, thats what I thought.
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You're wrong. Biden announced his candidacy in April 2019.

If you evil repubs really cared about corruption, why not investigate Jared and Ivanka? Why no questions about all the Chinese trademarks Ivanka got after trump took office? Why not investigate the $90 million one of Kushner's companies got from foreign funding that was funneled through offshore accounts?
 
jimmymccready said:
And Trump has a strong Obama economic recovery.,

If people thought Trump was responsible for this economy, he would be over 70%
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How many times so people like you have to be told the same damn thing? The Obama recovery was largely based on three rounds of QE and pump priming to the tune of several trillion dollars. That was done by the Fed, Obama has precious little to do with it. The present economy and stock market is shooting up to record levels without QE, do you understand now?
 
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christiefan915 said:
If you think the FBI is corrupt then you'll applaud trump. How many "corrupt" people in the FBI lost their jobs now?

You guys are funny. You LOVED the FBI when Comey re-opened the Hillary investigation a week or so before the election.
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Did you read the Rolling Stone piece by Matt Taibbi? If you didn't then I recommend that you do, it is truly devastating in its analysis of the FISA debacle, the Steele Dossier and Crossfire Hurricane. It's only a foretaste of what's going to go off like a timebomb next Summer when John Durham is due to report his findings. I found it all the more surprising that it was printed in Rolling Stone who's never been considered a friend to Trump or the GOP.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...t-steele-dossier-collusion-news-media-924944/
 
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Havana Moon said:
How many times so people like you have to be told the same damn thing? The Obama recovery was largely based on three rounds of QE and pump priming to the tune of several trillion dollars. That was done to the Fed, Obama has precious little to do with it. The present economy and stock market is shooting up.to record levels without QE, do you understand now?
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I'm still asking what has trump done with the economy specifically, that he can take credit for?
 
Havana Moon said:
Did you read the Rolling Stone piece by Matt Taibbi? If you didn't then I recommend that you do, it is truly devastating in its analysis of the FISA debacle, the Steele Dossier and Crossfire Hurricane. It's only a foretaste of what's going to go off like a timebomb next Summer when John Durham is due to report his findings. I found it all the more surprising that it was printed in Rolling Stone who's never been considered a friend to Trump or the GOP.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...t-steele-dossier-collusion-news-media-924944/
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I haven't read this but I will.

I'm not holding my breath about bombshells from Durham. Too many times repubs have announced bombshells that turned out to be duds.
 
Hello Jarod,

Jarod said:
Pretending that were true, it does not make what tRump did legal or right. If tRump had evidence to suspect criminality, he should have gone to his justice department, not extort a foreign nation. Thus its not relevant to a trial regarding what tRump is charged with.

IT would be relevant in a trial against Hunter Biden.
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Trump was not 'fighting corruption.' He was going after one guy. He never even talked about corruption. He only talked about getting Biden. Hello. It's obvious.
 
christiefan915 said:
I haven't read this but I will.

I'm not holding my breath about bombshells from Durham. Too many times repubs have announced bombshells that turned out to be duds.
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Here is a snippet to whet your appetite.

The so-called “Steele dossier” was, actually, crucial to the FBI’s decision to seek secret surveillance of Page.

Press figures have derided the idea that Steele was crucial to the FISA application, with some insisting it was only a “small part” of the application. Horowitz is clear:

We determined that the Crossfire Hurricane team’s receipt of Steele’s election reporting on September 19, 2016 played a central and essential role in the FBI’s and Department’s decision to seek the FISA order.

The report describes how, prior to receiving Steele’s reports, the FBI General Counsel (OGC) and/or the National Security Division’s Office of Intelligence (OI) wouldn’t budge on seeking FISA authority. But after getting the reports, the OGC unit chief said, “receipt of the Steele reporting changed her mind on whether they could establish probable cause.”

Meanwhile, the OI unit chief said Steele’s reports were “what kind of pushed it over the line.” There’s no FISA warrant without Steele.

Horowitz ratifies the oft-denounced “Nunes memo.”

Democrats are not going to want to hear this, since conventional wisdom says former House Intelligence chief Devin Nunes is a conspiratorial evildoer, but the Horowitz report ratifies the major claims of the infamous “Nunes memo.”

As noted, Horowitz establishes that the Steele report was crucial to the FISA process, even using the same language Nunes used (“essential”). He also confirms the Nunes assertion that the FBI double-dipped in citing both Steele and a September 23, 2016 Yahoo! news story using Steele as an unnamed source. Horowitz listed the idea that Steele did not directly provide information to the press as one of seven significant “inaccuracies or omissions” in the first FISA application.

Horowitz also verifies the claim that Steele was “closed for cause” for talking to the media, i.e. officially cut off as a confidential human source to the FBI. He shows that Steele continued to talk to Justice Official Bruce Ohr before and after Steele’s formal relationship with the FBI ended. His report confirms that the Steele information had not been corroborated when the FISA application was submitted, another key Nunes point.

There was gnashing of teeth when Nunes first released his memo in January, 2018. The press universally crapped on his letter, with a Washington Post piece calling it a “joke” and a “sham.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi slammed Nunes for the release of a “bogus” document, while New York Senator Chuck Schumer said the memo was intended to “sow conspiracy theories and attack the integrity of federal law enforcement.” Many called for his removal as Committee chair.

The Horowitz report says all of that caterwauling was off-base. It also undercuts many of the assertions made in a ballyhooed response letter by Nunes counterpart Adam Schiff, who described the FBI’s “reasonable basis” for deeming Steele credible. The report is especially hostile to Schiff’s claim that the FBI “provided additional information obtained through multiple independent sources that corroborated Steele’s reporting.”
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Hello ThatOwlWoman,

ThatOwlWoman said:
Oops, no fair trial, nothing to see here, folks.
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BREAKING NEWS

Mitch McConnell rejected Democrats’ demands to call Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton and other key aides as witnesses during a Senate impeachment trial.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 11:04 AM EST

On the eve of a House vote on Wednesday that is all but certain to result in President Trump’s impeachment on two charges, Mr. McConnell said he would not agree to call the witnesses — all of whom have firsthand knowledge of Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/trump-impeachment.html
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Why, he wouldn't be afraid to hear the facts from first hand witnesses, would he?

I am just shocked I tell you. Didn't he also swear allegiance to the Constitution? Without purpose of evasion? Yes, I think those are the words he swore to on a Bible.

Doesn't that mean not partisan? I must have missed the part of his oath where he swore he would be loyal to the President over the Constitution...
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
Good think I didn’t vote for Trump to win Mr. Congeniality lol.

Also, I wonder what Trump’s numbers would be without the fake Trump/Russian Hoax?
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The Trump Russia connection is real. Putin helped him get elected. Get over it. We accepted the election, you have to accept this.

Hey, I didn't vote for Trump to win Mr. Congeniality either!
 
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