Nearly half of American workers have low-wage jobs

Hello Flash,

Flash said:
The problem isn't that there are not enough good jobs to go around but that too many people don't have the skills for those jobs. Chicago announced 50,000 high paying jobs they could not fill. There is a large shortage of truck drivers that pay up to $80,000 a year.

--Almost 84,000 openings for software developers are on the books.

--there is a gap of approximately 46,000 between web developer job postings and hires.

--Engineering jobs pay well and are pretty secure, and there are roughly 47,000 unfilled positions out there, according to estimates.

--IT and computer administration--51,000

--There are nearly 300,000 unique job postings for nurses going up every month

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/jobs-qualified-employees.html/


Nobody is going to get a good paying job unless they acquire some education, skill, or experience to qualify for them.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the mean hourly wage is $24.98.
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The reason those jobs remain unfilled is because they are undesirable jobs. Good jobs don't go unfilled. The best jobs never even get listed. And the good ones often get listed as a matter of formality even though the employer already has someone in mind for the position, they simply need to go through the motions to satisfy investors. The best jobs are filled by word of mouth. Or somebody worked in a related position and had their eye on the job for years, making sure they are the best qualified for it. Then when the time comes they move right into it.

If a job has to get listed out to the general public it is not a very desirable job. Nurse? They work their butts off. I know one who had to quit because the work was so demanding and stressful it was giving her high blood pressure and back pain. And she worked for a supervisor who made her life hell. Engineer? Guess which ones are open. Drilling rig. That's a job where ya don't get to go home at night. You'll be gone for weeks when you go to work. And it might be in some remote location where you can't leave the rig. 24-7 you'll be there with all the same people. Oh, and you'll be in a dangerous job. Truck driver? That's one of the most dangerous jobs in America. 30,000 people die every year on our highways. Very stressful job. Drivers are *so* courteous, you know. The highway is a 'friendly' place, yeah, right. And how long a career could that be with AI looming to eliminate drivers?

In total, a few hundred thousand well-paying jobs have been identified, and it's obvious why these lousy jobs remain unfilled. And that pales in comparison to the 44 million Americans who need well-paying jobs.
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
There are more of those programs than you can count. Many of the classes go unfilled and have to be canceled. Community colleges, technical schools, job training programs by unions, apprenticeship programs, Job Corps (that pays living expenses and hourly wages, and job training), and high school vocational programs are all available.

There is no shortage of job training programs for those interested.
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Suppose every single poor person took your advice, got that training, got those great jobs. Awesome, eh? Great for them!

Now, who is going to do the low paying jobs they left? Immigrants?

Blaming the poor is no solution.
 
cawacko said:
Interesting, why do you believe that is? Are people just not taking advantage of the resources available to them? Are they unaware these programs exist?
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Maybe they don't want a bad back from leaning over a car hood all day, or they don't want repetitive motion injury from doing a simple physical effort over and over all day, or they don't want to work at night when the openings are available? Most people do like to be awake in the daytime and sleep at night.
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
I'm sure being unaware is part of it. Also, the target is low income individuals who have personal problems keeping them from being able to show up regularly or persevere. My two step-daughters got a grant and went to cosmetology school run by a local beauty shop. They both dropped out because some people are just not very good at finishing anything (Beauty School Dropout). They go from job to job and never make much money.

In my area there are are a lot of high-paying plant jobs and one of the biggest problems in hiring enough people to fill those jobs is being able to pass the drug test.

The shortage of truck drivers has drawn a number of Sikhs who are now taking those jobs.

Some of the training programs are short-term pork barrel projects designed to allow members of Congress to target money to their districts. They may not be a real need or interest for training, for example, welders in a particular area and the project might not get enough students to run the program (which leads to some real abuses).
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Naturally! That makes sense. How logical. American capitalism creates such undesirable work with such unacceptable pay for lousy jobs that only immigrants will take it. This gets greedy corporations more bang for the labor buck, and leaves America in the lurch. But what does capitalism care about society? It doesn't. Hence, why we need socialism mixed in with our capitalism.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,



The reason those jobs remain unfilled is because they are undesirable jobs. Good jobs don't go unfilled. The best jobs never even get listed. And the good ones often get listed as a matter of formality even though the employer already has someone in mind for the position, they simply need to go through the motions to satisfy investors. The best jobs are filled by word of mouth. Or somebody worked in a related position and had their eye on the job for years, making sure they are the best qualified for it. Then when the time comes they move right into it.

If a job has to get listed out to the general public it is not a very desirable job. Nurse? They work their butts off. I know one who had to quit because the work was so demanding and stressful it was giving her high blood pressure and back pain. And she worked for a supervisor who made her life hell. Engineer? Guess which ones are open. Drilling rig. That's a job where ya don't get to go home at night. You'll be gone for weeks when you go to work. And it might be in some remote location where you can't leave the rig. 24-7 you'll be there with all the same people. Oh, and you'll be in a dangerous job. Truck driver? That's one of the most dangerous jobs in America. 30,000 people die every year on our highways. Very stressful job. Drivers are *so* courteous, you know. The highway is a 'friendly' place, yeah, right. And how long a career could that be with AI looming to eliminate drivers?

In total, a few hundred thousand well-paying jobs have been identified, and it's obvious why these lousy jobs remain unfilled. And that pales in comparison to the 44 million Americans who need well-paying jobs.
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I don't agree with you at all there. I work in commercial real estate. There are lots of very good high paying jobs listed on public sites in my industry. I mean if Intel is looking for a new CEO they probably aren't going to market that on Indeed.com. But most jobs aren't CEO or CFO positions of large corporations. Google, Facebook, Apple etc. all list jobs on the web.
 
PoliTalker said:
Maybe they don't want a bad back from leaning over a car hood all day, or they don't want repetitive motion injury from doing a simple physical effort over and over all day, or they don't want to work at night when the openings are available? Most people do like to be awake in the daytime and sleep at night.
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Then do something else if that's not the type of job you want.
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
I don't agree with you at all there. I work in commercial real estate. There are lots of very good high paying jobs listed on public sites in my industry. I mean if Intel is looking for a new CEO they probably aren't going to market that on Indeed.com. But most jobs aren't CEO or CFO positions of large corporations. Google, Facebook, Apple etc. all list jobs on the web.
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I'm sure some people will work those jobs but a lot of people know better than to work for a large corporation. They are not human. Big corporations are immortal inhuman money making machines with no morals. They outlive us all, and that is a HUGE advantage over a living breathing mortal human in the quest for wealth. Big corporations USE humans. Humans have to tolerate the imposition of big corporations in their lives. That's backwards. What is the purpose of this country? Is it to serve the purposes of humans or corporations?

Any individual who never signed up for facebook can be certain FB has files on that person and FB knows who they are and what they buy, and what their politics is.

People used to worry about the government becoming big brother. Society got blindsided. Big brother is here and it ain't the government. It's big corporations. And we for CERTAIN need to grow our government to match the size and power of big corporations or we are screwed.
 
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Trumpet said:
The GOP dances to the tune dictated by their mega donors, and that is why we have got an income and wealth disparity.
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Donations to a political candidate do not cause 'income and wealth disparity'. There is no such thing as 'income and wealth disparity'. Buzzword fallacy.
 
Earl said:
There should be a wealth disparity, Trumper. A garbage collector should not be paid the same wages as a brain surgeon.
All work is noble but not equal in its value.
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That is not a 'wealth disparity'. It is simply a difference in wage.
You are quite right with the rest, however. Wages are the result of price discovery in the marketplace.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



I'm sure some people will work those jobs but a lot of people know better than to work for a large corporation. They are not human. Big corporations are immortal inhuman money making machines with no morals. They outlive us all, and that is a HUGE advantage over a living breathing mortal human in the quest for wealth. Big corporations USE humans. Humans have to tolerate the imposition of big corporations in their lives. That's backwards. What is the purpose of this country? Is it to serve the purposes of humans or corporations?

Any individual who never signed up for facebook can be certain FB has files on that person and FB knows who they are and what I they to buy, and what their politics is.

People used to worry about the government becoming big brother. Society got blindsided. Big brother is here and it ain't the government. It's big corporations. and we for CERTAIN need to grow our government to match the size and power of big corporations or we are screwed.
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Ok. Except people from all over the world come to the Bay Area to work for these firms. However you are going off on a whole other tangent. You claimed no good jobs get posted online or to the public. That is patently false.
 
corporations, companies and small & large business's need to use their tax breaks to PAY A LIVING WAGE....... that's the bottom line. I don't care if it's a car washer, burger flipper or retail worker, you shouldn't be able to make millions and billion of dollars and pay your workers slave wages.

LOW WAGES ARE THE PROBLEM.

Americans are CONditioned to believe working at McDonalds isn't a serious job. People still have to do work.

The average CEO sits on his ass and dictates to others what to do and requires him to makes ton's of money?
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
Then do something else if that's not the type of job you want.
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Trying to tell ya there are not many better jobs out there. All those ones you listed are listed for a reason, and it ain't because people are knocking down the doors to take those jobs.

Ya got a few hundred thousand of the worst jobs out there and you think that's gonna lift 44 million people out of working poverty? On what planet with what math?

Face it, man. Capitalism sucks the life out of society and gives it all to the richest at the expense of the poor. You can make all the excuses you want, blame the poor, that's BS.

The poor have no power. The movers and shakers are the rich and powerful. Their decisions produced this society.
 
Micawber said:
And the farmers are filing BK cuz bad weather and tariffs. So sad Trump did not make America great.
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He did make America great. Too bad you can't see it! You only look for misery, even if you have to manufacture it. The few farmers in question have already largely found new markets for their products. Trump doesn't control the weather or control China's tariffs.
 
cawacko said:
Ok. Except people from all over the world come to the Bay Area to work for these firms. However you are going off on a whole other tangent. You claimed no good jobs get posted online or to the public. That is patently false.
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I'm tellin you from experience. If those jobs are listed and unfilled there is a reason. And it is not because they are amazing desirable jobs and there is this big mystery that nobody wants them. And it's not something you can blame on the poor. Capitalism created some lousy jobs and the public knows it so nobody is working them.

The really good jobs are already taken.
 
You're in San Fransisco area, right? Well shoot. Everybody knows why there's plenty of high paying jobs available out there. Nobody can live there. It costs too much. Even with that high pay you still can't make it there. That's why those jobs are unfilled.

Who wants to pay a million dollars for an 800 sf house in a questionable area only a short 2 hour drive to work?

On a tiny lot.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Trying to tell ya there are not many better jobs out there. All those ones you listed are listed for a reason, and it ain't because people are knocking down the doors to take those jobs.

Ya got a few hundred thousand of the worst jobs out there and you think that's gonna lift 44 million people out of working poverty? On what planet with what math?

Face it, man. Capitalism sucks the life out of society and gives it all to the richest at the expense of the poor. You can make all the excuses you want, blame the poor, that's BS.

The poor have no power. The movers and shakers are the rich and powerful. Their decisions produced this society.
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You're free to have an abstract discussion about all the good socialism would bring but what I was responding to was Flash posting the various job training's and opportunities available to people to help them grow their skills and employment options.
 
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