Democratic Debate
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Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
BigDog already did that. Follow the thread.
You keep wanting to avoid the discussion. Let's say your charge is right, that it is sexist and racist...how do you solve for that? This is the part where you clam up because you haven't given it any thought.
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I don't think I did, did I?
maybe bigdog did
Social security is as fair as it can possibly be.
Everyone is on the same timeline, and the amount you get is based on the amount you paid in
what might be unfair, in fact what IS unfair is the means at which people are allowed to get their hands on it early
red states arrest their homeless.
We're talking about people working and getting perks....
exactly. you don't want student debt work hard for a scholarship,or find a trade ( much better then liberal arts)
free college just means people will go to avoid work ( in some cases) and get free subsidies
why in the hell should we pay for other kids babysitting? again dont have kids or acquire debt you can't afford
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Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
If I'm right? ... White female life expectancy is far greater than Black male life expectancy.
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Hello gfm7175,
Here's the logic: Generous social programs aimed at increasing the number of well educated people in our society will lead to a larger GDP, because dumb people who don't know what they are doing generally do NOT start companies which go on to employ millions of Americans with well paying great jobs which have excellent benefits. Nope. That takes smart people. Logically, the more smart people we have, the more likely this activity is to exist. Hence, if we increase the number of smart people in the country we will have more well paying great jobs which have excellent benefits.
It's not like Zuckerberg started FaceBook because he was stuck in a dead-end job and saddled with crushing debt. No. He was in college.
When you get a lot of people working at higher paying jobs, they pay more in taxes. Paying more taxes generates more revenue, which will pay for the programs. So, yes, they WILL pay for themselves.
And it is the same with free day-care. You free more people up to work more hours, they generate more revenue.
It's all straight up logic. QED.
Anyone who has enough wealth to be concerned that this is going to amount to a significant decrease in lifestyle to pay for this, has the kind of problems that the most Americans WISH they had. What. Will there be a need to have to get a smaller yacht? Will the choice have to be a USED one, instead of a brand new custom made model? Oh, the horrors. Imagine what the neighbors might say, peering out the window of their mansion (with a telescope because the waterfront houses are so far distant from one another.)
Nobody is asking you to pay for any specific program. You just pay your taxes, which, btw, we are going to have to raise to pay for that failed tax cut for the rich, which did NOT generate enough revenue to pay for itself, and has resulted in a trillion dollar deficit, no thank you.
No, your taxes go to the government. The government decides what to do with the revenue. The government is not charged with promoting your specific welfare, sir. No, indeed not. Think not of yourself. Think of the larger thing than oneself. Think of the entire United States. That's what government is for. The government, my friend, is charged with promoting the GENERAL welfare.
Lucky for all those really rich people with great backgrounds for being born into such fortunate circumstances. There, but for the sheer chance of luck, might be their cruel fate, a fate known by far more people than the fortunate ones who luck out in life's great lottery of just which family and age one gets born into on this great ride called Earth. Oh, aren't they ever so lucky. To be so over-achieving in life and to also be free of any calling to help the less fortunate in any small or insignificant way at all.
Because you know, really? The amount of taxation currently taken from the rich, if they pay anything at all, is like a single insect landing on an immense feast for 40, and the hostess proclaiming that 'Everything is RUINED!'
I mean, really? It's next to nothing. Swish the bugger away, remove the portion of food where it lighted, and carry on with a glorious feast!
The rich do not have their lifestyle impacted one iota by taxing!
Your claims of 'taxing hardship' are falling upon quite deaf ears, I assure you.
Last time I checked, California pays more to the Federal Government than it takes in benefits. The USA would lose revenue if California left. Everybody who lives in California lives there by choice, right? Who in California is not free to move to any other state? They run their own State, vote in their own representatives and leaders, vote their own referendums in public votes. They must LIKE what they've done or they would LEAVE. It's not like it's the only place to live in this country. And nobody who is a patriot to the United States advocates for ANY secession of ANY of the 50 States. United we stand.
Here's the logic: Generous social programs aimed at increasing the number of well educated people in our society will lead to a larger GDP, because dumb people who don't know what they are doing generally do NOT start companies which go on to employ millions of Americans with well paying great jobs which have excellent benefits. Nope. That takes smart people. Logically, the more smart people we have, the more likely this activity is to exist. Hence, if we increase the number of smart people in the country we will have more well paying great jobs which have excellent benefits.
It's not like Zuckerberg started FaceBook because he was stuck in a dead-end job and saddled with crushing debt. No. He was in college.
When you get a lot of people working at higher paying jobs, they pay more in taxes. Paying more taxes generates more revenue, which will pay for the programs. So, yes, they WILL pay for themselves.
And it is the same with free day-care. You free more people up to work more hours, they generate more revenue.
It's all straight up logic. QED.
Anyone who has enough wealth to be concerned that this is going to amount to a significant decrease in lifestyle to pay for this, has the kind of problems that the most Americans WISH they had. What. Will there be a need to have to get a smaller yacht? Will the choice have to be a USED one, instead of a brand new custom made model? Oh, the horrors. Imagine what the neighbors might say, peering out the window of their mansion (with a telescope because the waterfront houses are so far distant from one another.)
Nobody is asking you to pay for any specific program. You just pay your taxes, which, btw, we are going to have to raise to pay for that failed tax cut for the rich, which did NOT generate enough revenue to pay for itself, and has resulted in a trillion dollar deficit, no thank you.
No, your taxes go to the government. The government decides what to do with the revenue. The government is not charged with promoting your specific welfare, sir. No, indeed not. Think not of yourself. Think of the larger thing than oneself. Think of the entire United States. That's what government is for. The government, my friend, is charged with promoting the GENERAL welfare.
Lucky for all those really rich people with great backgrounds for being born into such fortunate circumstances. There, but for the sheer chance of luck, might be their cruel fate, a fate known by far more people than the fortunate ones who luck out in life's great lottery of just which family and age one gets born into on this great ride called Earth. Oh, aren't they ever so lucky. To be so over-achieving in life and to also be free of any calling to help the less fortunate in any small or insignificant way at all.
Because you know, really? The amount of taxation currently taken from the rich, if they pay anything at all, is like a single insect landing on an immense feast for 40, and the hostess proclaiming that 'Everything is RUINED!'
I mean, really? It's next to nothing. Swish the bugger away, remove the portion of food where it lighted, and carry on with a glorious feast!
The rich do not have their lifestyle impacted one iota by taxing!
Your claims of 'taxing hardship' are falling upon quite deaf ears, I assure you.
Last time I checked, California pays more to the Federal Government than it takes in benefits. The USA would lose revenue if California left. Everybody who lives in California lives there by choice, right? Who in California is not free to move to any other state? They run their own State, vote in their own representatives and leaders, vote their own referendums in public votes. They must LIKE what they've done or they would LEAVE. It's not like it's the only place to live in this country. And nobody who is a patriot to the United States advocates for ANY secession of ANY of the 50 States. United we stand.
my parents put money aside.. I worked part time. there were still merit grants and hardship grants.
College is not a human right, or an entitlement. we can't afford it anyways.
One reason college costs so much is the feds keep handing out more and more cash -why are the universities so rich?
Think cost control methods instead.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
And the ease of getting a student loan has caused college education costs to skyrocket at a rate 400% greater than the rate of inflation.
Speaking of subsidies, why do we give billions of dollars to corporations, corporate farms, oil companies, etc.?
I do believe that Bernie and the rest feel that these type subsidies should go to the American public by way of services rather than private interests
Seriously? I am not for free college, but I manage to do it without calling college "babysitting" and assuming people go to avoid work.
The fact is people who graduate make 10s of thousands per year for life over those who don't. People who are babysat or slack off flunk out.
Man you are just a big ball of prejudices. I don't want to pay for others' college because I had to pay for mine, and repay a few student loans,
and I did. Was the GI bill a bunch of baby losers avoiding work? 1/2 of everyone's dads went to college on the GI Bill and therefore families had
nice homes, cars and braces for their kids and GOOD JOBS
exactly BD.. the feds are a cash cow that transfer insane amounts of money thru students to the universities.
It leaves the kids with YUGE debts,and the colleges floating on seas of cash.
Start putting limits on grants,and the costs will come down.
Or even put some regs on public universities and those that get fed money.
It's a bit more difficult to do, then just shoveling out boatloads of cash, but that is what is needed -cost controls
I was calling pre-K ( what can kids learn at 4? ) or free child care for all "babysitting". I was not referring to college
except in the sense free universal college will inevitably lead to featherbedding .