Democratic Debate

Not everything is free in liberal areas. And there's crushing poverty in red rural America. So what's your response to that?

Non-workers flock to the Dem controlled cities because everything is free.

Rural America is littered with ghost towns from people leaving when "the mine" dried up. Now, federal policy incentivizes them to stay, do drugs, and live off welfare after the jobs disappear, or move to liberal shitholes where they can get free needles.

:dunno:
 
Mr. Sanders’s health care plan would substantially increase the amount that the federal government spends. Estimates of its precise cost vary, but according to an estimate from the conservative Mercatus Center, which Mr. Sanders has mentioned approvingly, federal spending would need to increase by about 10 percent of the country’s gross domestic product[/COLOR], triple what the government spends on the military. But under Medicare for all, Americans who currently pay health insurance premiums or pay directly when they go to the doctor or pharmacy would be relieved of those costs. For most American families, that would be a substantial savings.

"But under Medicare for all, Americans who currently pay health insurance premiums or pay directly when they go to the doctor or pharmacy would be relieved of those costs. For most American families, that would be a substantial savings."


But that does not mean that “virtually everybody” would end up paying less over all. Mr. Sanders has suggested various possible tax increases that could pay for this expansion, including a payroll tax that would affect workers across the economic spectrum. He has not provided enough details about the mix and magnitude of taxes for economists to measure what sorts of families would be better or worse off under Medicare for all.

He has provided those details. Right here.


An Urban Institute analysis of Mr. Sanders’s health care proposal, which included more tax details, found that the proposed taxes would only pay for about half of the cost of the plan.

Except that isn't what UI said.

So you're lying.

What they actually said was the opposite, literally on Page 1 of their report:

 
I watched about 2/3rds. I thought it went well all round. Lots of good choices.
And note nowhere on the stage was an orange maniac dumbass gameshow criminal
analogue to be found. It's called "class" WTF happened to Republicans anyway.
 
hey

VOTE FOR BERNIE

don't know what else to tell you, you nut**bags are the only ones that are going to fall for his pipe dreams of pandering madness.

you're hoping Americans will vote for socialized medicine, think about that and it's problems on its face, never mind the phony numbers
 
And then you add in giving free education, relieving student debt, increasing the social safety nets

Accomplished with a modest wealth tax on billionaires.


and you want ME to show the numbers

Yes, show your work. That is expected of you. If you can't meet those expectations, then we should lower our collective expectations of you.


how about 10+10+10 does not equal 15

You have yet to show any work here, and you lie constantly.
 
Rural America is littered with ghost towns from people leaving when "the mine" dried up.

So there's no jobs in rural America.

And if there are no jobs, then that means there aren't people working.

And if there aren't people working, that means they're on welfare and assistance.

So who are the real welfare queens?
 
I watched about 2/3rds. I thought it went well all round. Lots of good choices.
And note nowhere on the stage was an orange maniac dumbass gameshow criminal
analogue to be found. It's called "class" WTF happened to Republicans anyway.

:rofl2:
I took a picture of the debate stage so you can remember it forever
print it out and make a wallet size for yourself
you have my permission
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hey
VOTE FOR BERNIE
don't know what else to tell you, you nut**bags are the only ones that are going to fall for his pipe dreams of pandering madness.
you're hoping Americans will vote for socialized medicine, think about that and it's problems on its face, never mind the phony numbers

When Conservatives in the debate mirror the same criticism that anonymous internet trolls spout, you know they're bankrupt.

Single payer health care is supported by a majority of people. More people support M4A than support Trump.
 
Under “Medicare for all,” 185 million people would lose their private insurance.

Illegals (non-citizens) would be eligible for Medicare. A 65 year old illegal could violate our immigration laws, come to this country illegally and then be eligible for free health care for the rest of their lives without paying a dime into it.

A financial disaster of Biblical proportions.
 
“In Sweden, about 650,000 who can afford it buy private insurance despite already paying $20,000 per family per year through taxes for their nationalized system, according to Insurance in Sweden 2015. And more than 250,000 Brits spend out-of-pocket cash for private care. According to the European insurance and reinsurance federation (CEA), private insurance in the EU bought by those who can afford it grew by more than 50 percent over a decade to 2010, specifically to fill the “ever growing gaps in coverage” in public health systems. Only the poor and the middle class are stuck with nationalized, single-payer health care, because only they cannot afford to circumvent that system.

Americans should wonder why those with financial means would need to spend even more money than their already high taxes for something that is “guaranteed and free.” Unbeknownst to Americans and hidden by single-payer advocates, consistent failures of single-payer health care are well documented, proven to be inferior to the U.S. system in important objective measures of access to care and quality. As a direct consequence of explicit restrictions on specialists, surgeries, drugs and technology, single-payer systems have factually worse outcomes than the U.S. system from almost all serious diseases, including cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, stroke and heart disease. Advocates of single-payer care are disregarding established facts and ignoring decades of experience from countries with socialized medicine. Why should Americans voluntarily move toward a system proven worse than current U.S. health care?”
Washington Times.
 
So there's no jobs in rural America.

And if there are no jobs, then that means there aren't people working.

And if there aren't people working, that means they're on welfare and assistance.

So who are the real welfare queens?

Not what I said.

Interesting you use the word "queens" because women, by far, take the most welfare benefits. And benefit far more than a Black man, from racist sexist Social Security.
 
Hello dukkha,

All those things will pay for themselves
No they won't.

because those people, free of those burdens, will be able to participate more openly in our economy
Free of those burdens? For me, it would be nothing but added burden. I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's healthcare, someone else's schooling, someone else's childcare, someone else's student loan debt... etc... Those people brought those things upon themselves; they should have to face the consequences.

instead of being held back by crushing debt to the oligarchy.
The only "oligarchy" is the one currently ruling over Kaliphornia. And look at the complete shithole that chunk of land is becoming... I currently advocate for "kicking them out of the Union" (but more technically speaking, they have already effectively seceded from it) and building a wall around their border as well.
 
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