What Kind Of Official Business Requires The President's Personal Lawyer???

Hello Cinnabar,



It's his M.O. Dirty Tricks.

Get some kind of leverage and use it to force his way.

Just like when he bought Mar-A-Lago.

He bought the property between Mar-A-Lago and the ocean, then threatened to put up large buildings to obscure the view. The price of Mar-A-Lago plummeted; and he ended up getting it for a fraction.

That example is representative of Trump's entire life of business dealings. He is dead inside...no heart, no soul, no conscience, no empathy, no integrity, no respect, no hindsight or foresight, no connection to the deeper meaning or philosophical aspects of anything. Dead inside.

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That example is representative of Trump's entire life of business dealings. He is dead inside...no heart, no soul, no conscience, no empathy, no integrity, no respect, no hindsight or foresight, no connection to the deeper meaning or philosophical aspects of anything. Dead inside.

A SALIVATING DOG who wants to please his master will do anything.

Cinnabar, don't use words like soul, conscience, empathy or INTEGRITY. They're either gone or in deep freeze now. Let's hope they come back to life. I have serious reservations.
 
“BY TARA LAW

SEPTEMBER 25, 2019

“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sat beside President Donald Trump on Wednesday as he denied that Trump pressured him to investigate former Vice President and current 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden’s son for his work in the country.”

Are you calling President Zelensky a liar?

Nope. Calling him a politician. The most powerful man in the world, who holds his military aid in his hands fed him a message to say. He has to keep the charade up until Trump is gone.
We all know that Trump asked him to investigate Biden and connected it to the missiles. What would have happened if he said: "quit pressuring me to get the military help". Zelensky did not say Trump did not pressure him. When what he said was not explicit enough, Trump interrupted and said: "In other words, no pressure".
 
Hello Celticguy,



Nobody said Trump extorted anything.

What he did was do personal business on our dime. Do you get that?

He controlled aid that wasn't his to control. Congress appropriates that money. It's not his decision. His job is to execute the decisions made by Congress. He illegally withheld that aid. He reminded Ukraine of this aid, and then solicited personal political aid from a foreign national. The WH knew this was illegal and they tried to cover it up.

He broke the law, it was known, and then there was a cover up.

If this was all on the up and up the conversation would have been stored in the normal way. But instead it was placed in a special computer to keep it hidden.

What was the purpose of this phone call? -To ask Ukraine to dig up dirt on a political rival. To seek political aid from a foreign national.

Why was the record hidden away? - because they knew it was wrong.

Why can't you or the rest of the right talk about this, but instead routinely ignore it and instead talk about Biden? - Because you know that what Trump did was wrong and he has no defense.

We can't have this going on. We can't allow this precedent to be set. This cannot be let go. We can't have it be OK for our leaders to seek or receive the help of other nations in our elections. This can't be OK. This has to be an impeachment, and if Senate Republicans go for party over country then a terrible precedent gets set. That will change our country in ways that cannot lead to anything good. This must not stand. If Democrats DON'T impeach then THEY are not protecting their nation from all enemies either foreign or domestic. We cannot have President's using the power of the office for personal gain, either monetarily or politically. Presidents are supposed to serve the country, not themselves.

You may want to tell Nancy.
 
Hello Celticguy,

You may want to tell Nancy.

You have not answered the most basic question of this thread. But don't feel bad. No Trump supporter yet has come up with a reasonable answer. Mostly just whataboutism.

If Trump was doing official business, why did he use his personal lawyer?
 
You perfectly described "extortion" in your 3rd paragraph and that is exactly what Trump attempted so please clarify your first sentence.

HORSESHIT.


The aid to Ukraine was being REVIEWED, as was aid to the rest of Europe...and Ukraine HAD NO IDEA, and TRUMP MADE NO MENTION OF AID....please explain how that = 'extortion".
 
HORSESHIT.


The aid to Ukraine was being REVIEWED, as was aid to the rest of Europe...and Ukraine HAD NO IDEA, and TRUMP MADE NO MENTION OF AID....please explain how that = 'extortion".

You support a criminal who would rip your granny's bloomers off at his bogus university for a buck so get lost because you sucker types sicken me.
 
“BY TARA LAW

SEPTEMBER 25, 2019

“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sat beside President Donald Trump on Wednesday as he denied that Trump pressured him to investigate former Vice President and current 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden’s son for his work in the country.”

Are you calling President Zelensky a liar?

What you fools miss is it does not matter if the comedian caught "the favor" or had any intent of doing it............. Listen to your fox news judge again for clarification.........

You enjoy ever second of it Fox News’ Napolitano: What Trump Has Admitted to Is a Crime ....... Napolitano says issue of whether whistleblower complaint is based on hearsay is now moot FOX NEWS VIDEO
 
HORSESHIT.


The aid to Ukraine was being REVIEWED, as was aid to the rest of Europe...and Ukraine HAD NO IDEA, and TRUMP MADE NO MENTION OF AID....please explain how that = 'extortion".

No, it wasn't, you silly whore. Already approved and awaiting dispersement. No 'review' was taking place.
 
You support a criminal who would rip your granny's bloomers off at his bogus university for a buck so get lost because you sucker types sicken me.

Horse shit. I support a POTUS who is LOOKING OUT FOR US.

YOU PEDDLE LIES FOR YOUR DESPERATE NEED TO RUKLE EVERYONE ELSE/S LIVES.

Just like the LIES on the FISA APPs., this SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY is based on LIES from the "Whistleblower", that he/she had "firsthand information" about the Ukraine call, on the form he/she filed w/ the ICIG.


The ICIG said this is why the LIESPEAK "REPORT" was characterized as "CREDIBLE"....HE WAS LIED TO .

Same old LYING LEFT/FAKE NEWS/DNC... EASY TO SEE WHY THE LYING LEFT WANTS TO IGNORE THE ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT, and GO WITH THE MADEUP BULLSHIT.
 
Hello Celticguy,



You have not answered the most basic question of this thread. But don't feel bad. No Trump supporter yet has come up with a reasonable answer. Mostly just whataboutism.

If Trump was doing official business, why did he use his personal lawyer?

Who would you have him use ?
There are any number of reasons.
- specific area of expertise needed
- higher level of expertise needed
- one off special project to be contracted for
 
Hello Celticguy,

Who would you have him use ?
There are any number of reasons.
- specific area of expertise needed
- higher level of expertise needed
- one off special project to be contracted for

Nope. Not buying any of that. But thanks for trying. Very creative.

We, the people, provide our President with adequate legal counsel for just this purpose.

If he needed official legal advice pertaining to his work for us as our President, he would rightly use White House Counsel Don McGahn's replacement, Pat Cippollone.

So I ask again.

Why did Trump bypass the official White House lawyer we the taxpayers paid for, and instead use the one HE pays for?

The only plausible answer to that question is that Trump's actions with Ukraine were not done in an official capacity. He was working for himself on our dime, and Cipollone (who is sworn by oath to uphold the Constitution,) would have told him that what he was considering doing was illegal and advise against it.

To get around that, Trump chose Rudy Giuliani, who was not sworn to uphold the Constitution, and only has allegiance to Trump, the guy who pays him.

It is obvious that Trump was doing his own business on that phone call.

We are not paying him to work for himself.

Trump is supposed to be working for the United States.

That's what he swore to do in his oath.

Trump has violated his oath of office.
 
Hello Celticguy,



Nope. Not buying any of that. But thanks for trying. Very creative.

We, the people, provide our President with adequate legal counsel for just this purpose.

If he needed official legal advice pertaining to his work for us as our President, he would rightly use White House Counsel Don McGahn's replacement, Pat Cippollone.

So I ask again.

Why did Trump bypass the official White House lawyer we the taxpayers paid for, and instead use the one HE pays for?

The only plausible answer to that question is that Trump's actions with Ukraine were not done in an official capacity. He was working for himself on our dime, and Cipollone (who is sworn by oath to uphold the Constitution,) would have told him that what he was considering doing was illegal and advise against it.

To get around that, Trump chose Rudy Giuliani, who was not sworn to uphold the Constitution, and only has allegiance to Trump, the guy who pays him.

It is obvious that Trump was doing his own business on that phone call.

We are not paying him to work for himself.

Trump is supposed to be working for the United States.

That's what he swore to do in his oath.

Trump has violated his oath of office.

It is common to bring in added help for occasional jobs.
You staff to meet normal demand. Would you have we the people pay to have excess lawyers sitting around ?
 
Hello Celticguy,

It is common to bring in added help for occasional jobs.
You staff to meet normal demand. Would you have we the people pay to have excess lawyers sitting around ?

First I've heard of this. It has not been in the media. Even President Trump himself has not tweeted about it despite finding time to tweet about every other kind of distraction he can think of.

Are you prepared to demonstrate that this need existed; and that Giuliani was sworn in as an officer of the United States?

Or is this just some 'shoot-from-the-hip' invention you've concocted to allow you to dismiss my valid points and stick to your pro-Trump narrative...........
 
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