What Kind Of Official Business Requires The President's Personal Lawyer???

Ralph said:
Self defense. This personal lawyer is investigating the origin of the false charges presented by the left in relation to a supposed Conspiracy/Collusion with a foreign nation. Show us the law that prohibits such action. :dunno: Rudy has the goods......have you noticed how Corrupt Joe is making the rounds demanding that the media stop giving this private lawyer AIR TIME? Joe is scared shitless. :thinking:
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https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52 section:30121 edition:prelim)
 
reagansghost said:
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) "Foreign national" defined


As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, §319, formerly §324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, §112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493 ; renumbered §319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, §105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354 ; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96 , 109.)
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lol......and still you aren't competent enough to link it.....
 
reagansghost said:
Rudy Giuliani's former DOJ colleagues believe he committed crimes in pushing Biden probe

………."I think the Giuliani that I know would prosecute the Giuliani of today," said Jeffrey Harris, who worked closely with him in the 1980s.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...lleagues-believe-he-committed-crimes-n1059861
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can you tell me why Biden should not have been investigated and why it is a crime for Guiliani to meet with an adviser to the Ukrainian president about a plan to investigate Joe Biden.......
 
He can hire whoever he likes and while there may be lawyers on the White House staff, they already have full plates with routine matters. These are non routine matters and so need additional resources.
Biden's son is being looked at AGAIN as the prior investigation was quid pro quo'ed before it got done.
Oh, and by Old Joe of all people.
 
reagansghost said:
learn the law, you're embarrassing yourself again
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you mean the law I found for you, the law the DoJ says Trump did not violate and your own source says.....
Even if an argument like Mueller’s prevails in the courts, however, a prosecution of Trump, Barr, or Giuliani would still need to overcome other hurdles. Among other things, any information obtained from a foreign national must be worth at least $2,000 to make a violation of the campaign finance statute a crime, and at least $25,000 to make it a felony. So, while Mueller’s interpretation may be correct, prosecutors would still need to prove that any information Trump obtained from Ukraine would meet this threshold.
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might be difficult to prove that information Trump obtained from the Ukraine was worth at least $2000 given the fact that Ukraine didn't give him any information, eh?......
 
Hello Celticguy,

Celticguy said:
He can hire whoever he likes and while there may be lawyers on the White House staff, they already have full plates with routine matters. These are non routine matters and so need additional resources.
Biden's son is being looked at AGAIN as the prior investigation was quid pro quo'ed before it got done.
Oh, and by Old Joe of all people.
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You do realize that the Biden thing has no bearing on Trump's case, right?

I know you are leaning heavily on the 'But Biden did it first' defense but it has nothing to do with Trump's guilt or innocence. Trump is accused of specifically seeking dirt on one person, a political rival, from a foreign national. That is a thing of political value. This is very straightforward. And you may even take Biden down if there is anything to the right wing propaganda. That wouldn't matter. In that case Trump AND Biden go down. No part of Biden going down would let Trump off the hook.

And it is pretty telling that you don't even try to say Trump did not do this thing which is illegal. Throwing all your eggs in the 'But Biden did it first' basket is asking for an impeachment omelet.

Trump did it and it looks pretty cut and dried.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Celticguy,



You do realize that the Biden thing has no bearing on Trump's case, right?

I know you are leaning heavily on the 'But Biden did it first' defense but it has nothing to do with Trump's guilt or innocence. Trump is accused of specifically seeking dirt on one person, a political rival, from a foreign national. That is a thing of political value. This is very straightforward. And you may even take Biden down if there is anything to the right wing propaganda. That wouldn't matter. In that case Trump AND Biden go down. No part of Biden going down would let Trump off the hook.

And it is pretty telling that you don't even try to say Trump did not do this thing which is illegal. Throwing all your eggs in the 'But Biden did it first' basket is asking for an impeachment omelet.

Trump did it and it looks pretty cut and dried.
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Its the reason DJT brought it up to the PM. It was an open matter. Who was involved is a happy cooincidence.
But to the point you are trying to make, Biden did extort Ukraine to spring his kid. Trump did not extort.
 
reagansghost said:
oops

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52 section:30121 edition:prelim)
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Yeah....US CODE concerning some quid pro quo contribution? Really? Just prove it. This bullshit was refuted the very moment the actual transcript was released to the public. Who are we to believe....the president of Ukraine who was actually the one on the phone conversation who clearly stated with no ambiguity that he was not "PUSHED"/"Pressured" to do anything....all actions suggested by the President of the Untied States were directly in line with the 1999 Treaty With Ukraine on "MUTUAL" Legal Assistance In Criminal Matters. Running for POTUS does not shield you from criminal investigations....just like using a fake Whistle Blower cover....here say, to hide behind in the attempt to disregard the Confrontation Clause in the 6th amendment to the US constitution. Mr. Trump is correct the only crime involved with this phone conversation was and is TREASON on the part of whoever leaked this 2nd hand here say to the supposed whistle blower.

FYI: Ukraine, as documented was and is still investigating the DNC involvement in the 2016 election where the Ukrainian Government was demanded to help dig up dirt on Mr. Trump's Campaign Manager (Paul Manafort). IN FACT: the Ukrainian Government has been attempting to present DOCUMENTATION to the US state department and the Justice Department for the past year, since 2018...in regard to evidence they have found that confirms DNC involvement in conspiring with certain Ukrainian individuals to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

Documentation...something that beats the hell out of propaganda and fake projections of Democrat crimes. You want REAL EVIDENCE....documented evidence, allow an award wining investigative journalist that once worked for the Washington Post to enlighten you. :bigthink:

John Solomon's journalistic pedigree is unquestioned. He worked for the AP as assistant bureau chief in DC from 87 thru 06, he then worked as the Washington Post's NATIONAL INVESTIGATIVE CORREPONDENT....in 08 he became editor in chief of the Washington Times....being involved off and on with the Times until 2011 when he worked for Circa News until 2015 when it was shut down and sold to Sinclair. In 2017 he began working as executive VP of digital video for the Hill.

He has been investigating the corruption on the left since. Here is the documented evidence he found and documented

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...s-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats
 
PoliTalker said:
What Kind Of Official Business Requires The President's Personal Lawyer???

There is something that has been bugging me about this whole Republican denial thing. I have not heard the pundits discuss this.

The Trump sycophants have been loudly proclaiming that the President has done nothing wrong. They have been saying that he was conducting official business, not working for himself on our dime.

They say his request for Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son was an effort to 'combat corruption.' (absurd because only Biden and son were singled out.)

OK, if we go with that, then why does the President's personal lawyer have ANYTHING to do with it?

Rudy Giuliani doesn't work for the USA. He has no official position, no duties, no oath, no responsibility to the United States of America. We don't pay him. He works for Donald Trump. Trump pays him. He answers only to Trump.

Why is he even involved with this thing?

Why is the President sending his personal lawyer to meet with Ukrainian officials to do official business?

It doesn't pan out.

It's not right.

This was not official business.

President Trump is working for himself, not US.
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Declassfied bussinesss shit face

He said so back in may

So what I’ve done is I’ve declassified everything. He can look. And I hope he looks at the UK, and I hope he looks at Australia, and I hope he looks at Ukraine. I hope he looks at everything, because there was a hoax that was perpetrated on our country. It’s the greatest hoax —Trump May 2019
 
Hello Celticguy,

Celticguy said:
Its the reason DJT brought it up to the PM. It was an open matter. Who was involved is a happy cooincidence.
But to the point you are trying to make, Biden did extort Ukraine to spring his kid. Trump did not extort.
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Nobody said Trump extorted anything.

What he did was do personal business on our dime. Do you get that?

He controlled aid that wasn't his to control. Congress appropriates that money. It's not his decision. His job is to execute the decisions made by Congress. He illegally withheld that aid. He reminded Ukraine of this aid, and then solicited personal political aid from a foreign national. The WH knew this was illegal and they tried to cover it up.

He broke the law, it was known, and then there was a cover up.

If this was all on the up and up the conversation would have been stored in the normal way. But instead it was placed in a special computer to keep it hidden.

What was the purpose of this phone call? -To ask Ukraine to dig up dirt on a political rival. To seek political aid from a foreign national.

Why was the record hidden away? - because they knew it was wrong.

Why can't you or the rest of the right talk about this, but instead routinely ignore it and instead talk about Biden? - Because you know that what Trump did was wrong and he has no defense.

We can't have this going on. We can't allow this precedent to be set. This cannot be let go. We can't have it be OK for our leaders to seek or receive the help of other nations in our elections. This can't be OK. This has to be an impeachment, and if Senate Republicans go for party over country then a terrible precedent gets set. That will change our country in ways that cannot lead to anything good. This must not stand. If Democrats DON'T impeach then THEY are not protecting their nation from all enemies either foreign or domestic. We cannot have President's using the power of the office for personal gain, either monetarily or politically. Presidents are supposed to serve the country, not themselves.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Celticguy,



Nobody said Trump extorted anything.

What he did was do personal business on our dime. Do you get that?

He controlled aid that wasn't his to control. Congress appropriates that money. It's not his decision. His job is to execute the decisions made by Congress. He illegally withheld that aid. He reminded Ukraine of this aid, and then solicited personal political aid from a foreign national. The WH knew this was illegal and they tried to cover it up.

He broke the law, it was known, and then there was a cover up.

If this was all on the up and up the conversation would have been stored in the normal way. But instead it was placed in a special computer to keep it hidden.

What was the purpose of this phone call? -To ask Ukraine to dig up dirt on a political rival. To seek political aid from a foreign national.

Why was the record hidden away? - because they knew it was wrong.

Why can't you or the rest of the right talk about this, but instead routinely ignore it and instead talk about Biden? - Because you know that what Trump did was wrong and he has no defense.

We can't have this going on. We can't allow this precedent to be set. This cannot be let go. We can't have it be OK for our leaders to seek or receive the help of other nations in our elections. This can't be OK. This has to be an impeachment, and if Senate Republicans go for party over country then a terrible precedent gets set. That will change our country in ways that cannot lead to anything good. This must not stand. If Democrats DON'T impeach then THEY are not protecting their nation from all enemies either foreign or domestic. We cannot have President's using the power of the office for personal gain, either monetarily or politically. Presidents are supposed to serve the country, not themselves.
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You perfectly described "extortion" in your 3rd paragraph and that is exactly what Trump attempted so please clarify your first sentence.
 
Hello Cinnabar,

Cinnabar said:
You perfectly described "extortion" in your 3rd paragraph and that is exactly what Trump attempted so please clarify your first sentence.
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It was an attempted extortion. The impeachable offense was breaking his oath of office to serve the USA, to "uphold the Constitution." That's the crime.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Cinnabar,



It was an attempted extortion. The impeachable offense was breaking his oath of office to serve the USA, to "uphold the Constitution." That's the crime.
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Yes, attempted extortion. Which means Trump's intentions were clear. If a bank robber's attempt at robbing a bank are thwarted before the money is in the getaway car, he is still guilty of bank robbery. Bottom line...Trump is an extortionist.
 
Hello Cinnabar,

Cinnabar said:
Yes, attempted extortion. Which means Trump's intentions were clear. If a bank robber's attempt at robbing a bank are thwarted before the money is in the getaway car, he is still guilty of bank robbery. Bottom line...Trump is an extortionist.
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It's his M.O. Dirty Tricks.

Get some kind of leverage and use it to force his way.

Just like when he bought Mar-A-Lago.

He bought the property between Mar-A-Lago and the ocean, then threatened to put up large buildings to obscure the view. The price of Mar-A-Lago plummeted; and he ended up getting it for a fraction.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Cinnabar,



It's his M.O. Dirty Tricks.

Get some kind of leverage and use it to force his way.

Just like when he bought Mar-A-Lago.

He bought the property between Mar-A-Lago and the ocean, then threatened to put up large buildings to obscure the view. The price of Mar-A-Lago plummeted; and he ended up getting it for a fraction.
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“BY TARA LAW

SEPTEMBER 25, 2019

“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sat beside President Donald Trump on Wednesday as he denied that Trump pressured him to investigate former Vice President and current 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden’s son for his work in the country.”

Are you calling President Zelensky a liar?
 
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