Suicide

Hello Oneuli,

David Brooks, the New York Times columnist, has a new op-ed about the rise in teenage suicide rates. Being a reactionary, he naturally looks for something newfangled to blame, and decides it's attributable to technology -- online trolling, specifically. I'm not convinced.

For starters, take a look at suicide rates by age:

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Rates are lowest among the young, and they've been rising for every age demographic, including the elderly block we'd expect to be least impacted by cyber-bullying. And while the rise of social media has been a global phenomenon, there hasn't been a rise in suicide in all of the tech-savvy nations, as we'd expect if cyber-bullying were a big driver:

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Things have actually been getting better in Germany, Sweden, and France, for example.

Also, if you check rates by state, you'll see there are huge variations among the states, and those with the biggest problem are definitely not the ones with the highest Internet usage or Facebook penetration:

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
https://www.internetworldstats.com/stats26.htm

The least suicidal states, for example, are NJ, NY, MA, MD, CT, CA, IL, RI, DE, and HI. In terms of Facebook penetration, they rank 7th, 19th, 6th, 25th, 32nd, 15th, 2nd, 3rd, 50th, and 13th. So, eight out of ten have unusually high Facebook engagement. If cyber-bullying were a major driver of rates, we'd expect most of those states to have unusually serious problems with suicide. But there just doesn't seem to be any meaningful positive correlation between social media/Internet usage and suicide, at the state level. If anything, the correlation seems to go the opposite way, with the less "online" states having more suicide problems.

So, I just don't see data to back Brooks's view. However, if you look at the data, something else does stick out. Of the ten least suicidal states, every single one voted for Hillary Clinton. At the other end of the spectrum, you have MT, AK, WY, NM, UT, NV, ID, OK, CO, SD, and WV -- seven out of ten of which went for Trump. I think that rather than looking to blame technology (or other pet arguments Brooks tends to reach for, like blaming a move away from traditional religion for society's ills), we'd do well to think about what it is about conservative societies that makes people suicidally depressed (or, if you prefer, what it is about liberal societies that makes them less so). Possibly it could have to do with economic opportunities, mental health support, or just the tone of the culture. Urbanization might also be a factor -- e.g., the boredom and inactivity of rural life contributing to substance abuse and obesity, which in turn contribute to depression and suicide.

I do believe you have nailed Brooks to the wall on this one. I usually like hearing him, but he sometimes gets it wrong.
 
Hello archives,

Ever visit any of those States Trump won which are by reputation characterized by their "conservative societies?"

If your whole understanding of the world around you depends upon the existence of an existential threat it is easy to see why some would get depresses when things didn't go their way

And I enjoy reading David Brooks, don't often agree with him, but it is nice seeing a conservative view not born on FOX

Agree.

Of course, part of the rise can be attributed to other factors as well. The rise of the NRA and the ownership of so many guns by Americans. The crippling vise of capitalism that squeezes the paycheck-to-paycheck segment of society, causes them to be under great stress. The availability of so many dangerous drugs due to the tremendous profitability of both legal and illegal drugs.
 
Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

... Lefty parents are making their kids into their "best friends" and telling them to vote democrat, and the democrats are saying shit like "the earth is going to end in 12 years! The only way to save it is to vote democrat!". ...

How do you know what 'lefty parents' do?

Sounds like a terribly stereotypical thing to say...
 
Hello reagansghost,



It has been noticed that country music has become increasingly male.

I guess they don't want to risk another Dixie Chicks to make them feel guilty.
& MUCH OF IT SOUNDS THE SAME, because they are often using canned lines, beats & phony accents etc...

I prefer the women as they are less so, more individuality but I don't listen to it often..
 
Hello archives,



Agree.

Of course, part of the rise can be attributed to other factors as well. The rise of the NRA and the ownership of so many guns by Americans. The crippling vise of capitalism that squeezes the paycheck-to-paycheck segment of society, causes them to be under great stress. The availability of so many dangerous drugs due to the tremendous profitability of both legal and illegal drugs.

Certainly guns tend to make suicide attempts much more successful, particularly among the impulsive young.
 
Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,



How do you know what 'lefty parents' do?

Sounds like a terribly stereotypical thing to say...

I teach high school. When you see virtually every 9th grader on campus running around with a damn HRC.jpgt-shirt 2 months before the election, you make some assumptions. But never ask them a question that requires any deep political thought. Look up "deer in the headlights" in the dictionary and there's a picture of a 15 year old hillary supporter. To tie this in with the OP, the day after the election, not a HRC.jpgt-shirt to be found, and the look of soul crushing butt hurt on their little faces was actually painful for me to behold. How did kids get so emotionally invested in politics? ADULTS!! You remember seeing these?

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Not a good look on an adult, much less a kid. Particularly when it's over a damned politician
 
David Brooks, the New York Times columnist, has a new op-ed about the rise in teenage suicide rates. Being a reactionary, he naturally looks for something newfangled to blame, and decides it's attributable to technology -- online trolling, specifically. I'm not convinced.
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It would be hepful if you would post the op-ed so we could compare and contrast it with your OP. I'm not convinced in your premise that suicide rates have anything to do with politics.
Hello Oneuli,



I do believe you have nailed Brooks to the wall on this one.
How's that?
I couldn't find the Brooks' op-ed and One Lie didn't post it.
 
I teach high school. When you see virtually every 9th grader on campus running around with a damn View attachment 10092t-shirt 2 months before the election, you make some assumptions. But never ask them a question that requires any deep political thought. Look up "deer in the headlights" in the dictionary and there's a picture of a 15 year old hillary supporter. To tie this in with the OP, the day after the election, not a View attachment 10092t-shirt to be found, and the look of soul crushing butt hurt on their little faces was actually painful for me to behold. How did kids get so emotionally invested in politics? ADULTS!! You remember seeing these?

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Not a good look on an adult, much less a kid. Particularly when it's over a damned politician

This post reinforces One Lie's assumption that dem voters tend to be more depressed, and aside, more violent.
 
Not seeking employment such as cleaning is not limiting possibilities.

No, it's limiting the development of a work ethic. Kids these days think they're above any kind of physical work. They graduate from HS/college thinking they should be hired as CEOs, never climbing the "corporate ladder" or starting at the bottom.
Just the other day, I bought something that cost $10.77. The cash register (for some reason?) didn't show the amount of change to give me so the kid (surprisingly, he took a retail job) got out a calculator, then gave me $10.23 change. Maybe he should have taken a job cleaning? At least, he wouldn't need to count :palm:
 
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