Airstrip One
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Two ambitious countries who share a border.
2019 Moscow Victory Day Parade
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Two ambitious countries who share a border.
A couple of days later and on the occasion of a visit by a senior Chinese military delegation, Shoygu offered that the relationship between Moscow and Beijing reached “an unprecedented high level.” Interestingly on that latter occasion, he discussed the participation of Chinese units together with Russian units in the
Shanghai Cooperation Organization’s (SCO) anti-terrorism exercises that just took place in Chelyabinsk Oblast, but did not seem to mention the planned cooperation for Vostok-18. And so it does seem that Russia-China military cooperation has genuinely been regularized, with one exercise or exchange following closely upon the next and reaching higher and higher levels of intensity and scope.
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-russias-vostok-18-exercise-china-means-30577
get real
ndoubtedly, it is also true that Russia-China strategic cooperation has reached a new stage. As an example of new energy and synergy in their bilateral relationship,
Moscow has likely been impressed by Beijing’s willingness to explicitly support the new concept of a “Polar Silk Road”—as a critical part of the larger Belt and Road initiative.
For instance, China’s announcement that it will build a nuclear icebreaker (with likely Russian assistance) can be viewed as a rather serious commitment to the smooth operation of the revitalized Northern Sea Route (NSR). Indeed, Chinese investment is likely to play a crucial role in activating Russia’s long-held dream of a dynamic maritime corridor that traces along its northern coast, bringing some amount of both prestige and prosperity.
Moscow has likely been impressed by Beijing’s willingness to explicitly support the new concept of a “Polar Silk Road”—as a critical part of the larger Belt and Road initiative.
For instance, China’s announcement that it will build a nuclear icebreaker (with likely Russian assistance) can be viewed as a rather serious commitment to the smooth operation of the revitalized Northern Sea Route (NSR). Indeed, Chinese investment is likely to play a crucial role in activating Russia’s long-held dream of a dynamic maritime corridor that traces along its northern coast, bringing some amount of both prestige and prosperity.
Stable, long-standing, robust alliances are based on shared values and a shared vision. That is exactly why NATO is the most successful military-political alliance in human history.
China and Russia have no shared values - cultural, historical, or political - no shared vision, and are in many senses global competitors.
Any claim that China and Russian represent a unified axis of power aligned against the United States can be dismissed as uninformed.
moon
Satire for Sanity
The US has never been so aggressive, so desperate or so criminal before.
so you dismiss the SCO ( Shanghai Cooperation Org.) and the Vostok 2018 games as what exactly? an aberration? no.
https://www.rand.org/blog/2019/04/a-warming-trend-in-china-russia-relations.html
April 18, 2019
A Warming Trend in China-Russia Relations
U.S. Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats observed (PDF) in the intelligence community's most recent threat assessment that “China and Russia are more aligned than at any point since the mid-1950s.” Although U.S. observers have feared such an alignment for decades, there is ample evidence that relations between the two are indeed closer than they have been since the Sino-Soviet split in the early 1960s.
In July 2017, the two countries' navies conducted a joint exercise in the Baltic Sea for the first time. In September 2018, China participated in Russia's annual Vostok military exercise—another first. Russia has also sold China advanced military equipment, including an S-400 air defense system and 24 SU-35 fighter aircraft.
According to Chinese government data, bilateral trade grew from $69.6 billion in 2016 to $84.2 billion in 2017 to $107.1 billion last year, marking the first time that that figure surpassed $100 billion. Moreover, despite facing setbacks in diversifying away from the U.S. dollar, Beijing and Moscow are conducting more of that trade, albeit still in small amounts, in their own currencies.
Russia became China's largest supplier of crude oil in 2016, displacing Saudi Arabia, and it is contracted to sell China 1.3 trillion feet of cubic gas annually for three decades, beginning this year, through its Power of Siberia pipeline.
Finally, Chinese President Xi Jinping has visited Moscow more than any other capital city since he assumed power. As of August 2018, he and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin had met 26 times. In June 2018, moreover, Xi gave Putin China's first-ever friendship medal, calling him “my best, most intimate friend.”
It is not surprising, then, that U.S. analysts are increasingly concerned by the multifaceted momentum in Sino-Russian relations.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Yeah, I believe what these people have to say. Even more than statements made by Trump!
SO YOUR TRUMP'S GREAT IDEA IS TO LEAVE SYRIA, LEBANON'S NEIGHBOR, AND ALLOW IRAN AND HEZBOLLAH TO MOVE IN.
Bravo, dipshit.
Your logic if fallacious.
It does not follow from the fact that Russia and China pursue bilateral relations based on self-interest and mutual benefit, that they are forming a concerted and coordinated "axis of evil" allied and aligned against the United States.
Russia has been pursuing bilateral relations with China for almost two centuries. My grandfather was employed by the joint venture Chinese-Soviet East China Railroad. It did not follow that Russia and China were developing an military alliance aligned in hostility to the West.
Are you not familiar with the joint military exercises recently and ongoing between China and Russia?
The U.S. holds joint military exercises with dozens of nations throughout the world.
No, I do not think even some symbolic military exercises is evidence of a plot to have a unified Russia-China military alliance aligned against the United States.
Military exercises between countries are not "symbolic". They are for defined purpose. Defeating a common enemy or perceived threat.
A lot of people call it largely symbolic, including experts on Russia.
The Kremlin would love Americans to think there is a rising axis of power between Moscow-Beijing, aligned against Washington.
Russia is playing a weak hand, and it is classic Russian psychological warfare to enhance, exaggerate, and amplify the international prestige and perceived power of the Russian bear.
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Your lack of knowledge about such things, though you love to try and show otherwise, is astounding.