That does not contradict what I said, now does it... ?
Pursuant to law, Congress asks IRS Director for 6 years of Trumps tax returns. . .
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That does not contradict what I said, now does it... ?
What exactly is Trump getting away with? So far all we see are whiny buffoonish rants that lack any legal basis. What crimes has Trump been charged with?
Right so the IRS will be the ones releasing them to the House Chairman in closed session, right? It will be the IRS doing the releasing right? That is what I said, that it would be the IRS correct?
OK.....Rachel Maddow....has this horse not been beaten to death once already?
Perhaps you nor Maddow have ever heard of "Executive Privilege"? Any act that would hinder the US president of carrying out his duties of the office....yada, yada, yada....as established by SCOTUS precedent. The United States v. Nixon. Since these IRS documents predate the presidency of Donald J. Trump....any attempt of Congressional Subpoena will quickly be meet with a challenge of Executive Privilege. In order to stop this separation of powers......the bloviators in congress would have to prove that a CRIME has occurred....kind'a of a case of the mule attempting to push the plow, as congress goes fishing for a crime to prosecute.....while the country burns to the ground because the president is not free to carry out his executive duties as established by constitutional decree.
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Only in CLOSED session dumb fuck. Then there is always the question on what legal basis should the Ways and Means Committee demand such a thing? What laws have been violated?
Or has the Democratic Party of the Jackass devolved so much, they think they can conduct fishing expeditions against their political opponents like a Fascistic third world shit hole?
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Honestly, I don't know. I am not a pretend lawyer. But, I am sure that lawyers much smarter than you will have an argument. Now I suspect that you won't agree with it because you are such an expert. But, in the end what you or I think doesn't matter does it?
This will end up at the Supreme Court. If you don't think so, you are fooling yourself. But, like I said, you fooled yourself that Hillary would win and that Mueller would take down Trump over collusion so............
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Who controls the IRS?
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Do you really think the courts will uphold that Congress can just willy nilly look at anyones tax returns without having a good reason? You don't think the Courts will have a due process concern about it?
Lots of information in tax returns that can be taken out of context that could be used to harm people personally and/or politically.
I also think it will matter whether or not Congress has used this power before don't you? I mean it is one thing to have it in law, but if they have never used it until now I think they will be forced to explain why now don't you?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should does it Brad?
What part of "only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure do you continue having difficulty comprehending?
On what legal basis can the committee demand someone's returns? Simply because they are from the opposition party and the committee chair doesn't like them?
IN CLOSED SESSION. So what happens if someone leaks what has been seen in CLOSED session?
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Same law that NIXONS returns and FORD'S returns. Not even a question that CONGRESS can have them.
Not to mention "MAZARS", the accounting firm that put together Trump's financials to SECURE LOANS. They apparently sound quite cooperative, 'just send us a subpoena'.
For more than a decade, Mazars and a predecessor firm signed off on financial statements for Trump that he used
when seeking loans. Some of the statements include frequent exaggerations or inaccuracies and were accompanied
by a note from the firm saying it was not responsible for the accuracy of the information.
“The accounting firm told us that they will respond and they just want a subpoena so we . . .
we’ve got to figure out how to accommodate them,” Cummings said. “But apparently it would mean a
friendly subpoena, I assume.”
Thanks for admitting you know of no legal grounds for a challenge. Now, where did I say Mueller would take down trump over collusion? I always maintained I did not know if there was collusion but I would wait for the Mueller report, which they are currently sitting on.
ONLY IN CLOSED SESSION. So on what legal basis do you think the Chairman will make in order to force the IRS to comply with his request?
SO you are admitting I was correct, the IRS will be releasing them to the Chair of the House committee?
Is that your stated position for the record?
That depends on what reasoning the Chairman uses to obtain the tax returns. Is their criminality involved? If so, what?
We've recently concluded a very BROAD $40 million investigation into this which has resulted in NOTHING criminal being found. What else do you think he can find?
You seem dissatisfied with the Special Prosecutor's report being released to the AG.
Are you stipulating that a release of the presidents past six tax returns to a closed session of Congressional committee will be sufficient evidence of anything?
Only in the sense that you believe that the Chairman of the Ways and Means committee can demand tax returns simply because he wants them. Typically, at least in the real world and legal sense of the world, their needs to be a purpose for such a request.
So what purpose do you think the idiot Cummings can use to obtain Trumps personal tax records IN CLOSED session and to what purpose will he use them?