Didn't Conservatives staple teabags to their faces because of this very thing?

Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez said:
Which is an indication of profligate democrat spending that requires periodic reality checks from the adults in the room. Look pinhead, you have at least four 2020 presidential candidates running on free stuff(again), everything from single payer universal(shitty)healthcare to free college for every pimple faced, nose picking moron that can't even spell SAT much less pass the damn test, you got beto who wants to pack the SCOTUS ala roosevelt, and tear down the border wall completely(you can just imagine how much it's gonna cost to take care of the swarm of undocumented democrats that will ensue, AND he wants all the other free shit the rest of you want), then you got Spartacus, who wants all the same shit every other demoron wants, AND just to separate himself from the herd, he wants to talk about reparations. It is quite possible we can never get ahead of this deficit. That is no reason to keep spending like a drunken democrat(I don't use the term "drunken sailor" because sailors eventually run out of money and go home to sleep it off)
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Never once in the last 40 years have Conservatives left behind a smaller deficit than the one they inherited.
 
LV426 said:
This has nothing to do with Conservatives teabagging over deficits since 2009 only to stop once they passed their massive Russia Tax Cut that produced the largest monthly deficit ever.

Not of the last 10 years, or the last 100 years...EVER.

Last month saw the largest deficit EVER solely because of the Russia Tax Cut.

So the people who supported the Russia Tax Cut were the same people worked up into a teabag frothiness over deficits 10 years ago.
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You are not concerned about debt and deficits, anyway, so what more is there to say about it? If neither liberals or conservatives don't care about it, everybody is happy. You should be happy with record spending and deficits.
 
LV426 said:
Wait - how can you have an opinion on whether 2.88% is more than 2.85%?

How is it an opinion that last month saw the largest monthly federal deficit ever?

How is it an opinion that the Russia Tax Cut reduced revenues by 2% last year, while expanding the deficit by 25%?

These aren't opinions, these are facts.

These are facts that speak directly to Conservative policy because they are the result of Conservative policy.

I know you really, really don't want to judge policy, you just want to judge ambiguous tactics because it's easier to maintain "Bothsiderism" for the benefit of no one who cares or matters.
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The opinion is not whether 2.88% is more than 2.85%, but whether a person thinks that is good or bad. Or, as you told us earlier, you are not concerned about it. Opinions are not over facts but whether they want more or less government spending and taxation. I never said I did not want to judge policy, you always make stuff up that I never said.
 
LV426 said:
OMG.

OK, so you first say this:


Then you say this:


Then you say this:


So you're judging the tactics scornfully (by calling them sleazy) and accuse both sides of doing the same thing. It's a backhanded compliment, which is really a passive insult. Which is really scornful and judgmental.

So this would be an inaccurate statement:
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It is only scornful if you disapprove of sleaze. If somebody claims Hillary has a child porn ring in a pizza shop or Trump had prostitutes pee on a bed, it is sleazy but I am not scornful of it because I acknowledge and recognize tactics that both parties use because their supporters will believe it.
 
LV426 said:
There is a clearly defined difference between the both parties, and your subjective judgment of their tactics doesn't change the record.
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Exactly what I said. They use the same tactics to accomplish different policy goals.

If one is using the filibuster to block legislation the party complains it is immoral because it is thwarting the will of the majority. When they use that same filibuster to block legislation they oppose the defend it as protecting minority rights.
 
LV426 said:
Never once in the last 40 years have Conservatives left behind a smaller deficit than the one they inherited.
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Which is an indication of profligate democrat spending that requires periodic reality checks from the adults in the room.


We can do this all fucking day, imbecile, it doesn't change the facts
 
LV426 said:
Obama did it better in 2015; in that year, he had 2.88% and he reduced the deficit...and he did it without a tax cut.
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But he kept the middle class tax cut which eliminated federal income taxes for a large percentage of the bottom 40%. If he didn't think those tax cuts were good why didn't he let those expire?
 
Flash said:
You are not concerned about debt and deficits, anyway, so what more is there to say about it?
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There's plenty to say; like how Conservatives posture over the deficit and debt in order to advance the cuts to spending programs to which they are ideologically opposed, but lack the courage, will, and support to repeal through conventional legislation.

So they enact fiscal terrorism instead, which is to deliberately run up deficits and debt, then posture over both.

So the real question you should be asking is why do people keep falling for it?
 
Flash said:
If neither liberals or conservatives don't care about it, everybody is happy. You should be happy with record spending and deficits.
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So here's another example of how you don't listen to people.

I'm bringing up Conservative posturing on the debt because they are using that posturing to advance their ideological beliefs that they cannot advance through conventional legislation.

So they deliberately create deficits and debt with their tax cuts, then point to the deficits and debt their tax cuts caused and try to redirect and divert the discussion to one of spending, to which they are ideologically and fundamentally opposed.

The question is; why do you keep falling for it?
 
Flash said:
The opinion is not whether 2.88% is more than 2.85%
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Ah, but shouldn't it be? If one is higher than the other, doesn't that mean one is better than the other?

Obama achieved 2.88% without a tax cut while reducing the deficit by 11% in just one year.

Conservatives achieved 2.85% with a tax cut while growing the deficit by 25% in just one year.

So we can judge the policies based on those results, can we not?
 
Flash said:
Or, as you told us earlier, you are not concerned about it
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No, Flash, you are being dishonest and acting in bad faith.

As I said, what concerns me isn't the size of the deficit, it's that Conservatives deliberately increased the deficit to try and deflect the conversation to one of spending. But it wasn't spending that caused the deficit to grow; it was tax cuts.

So I don't know why you keep ignoring that part above to try and frame my position thusly.

Actually, I do know why you do it...because you're lazy. You're probably the laziest person on these boards, after cawacko. You're so lazy that when given reasons for things, you just ignore them to paint a false picture of my position that you can apply your "Bothsiderist" bullshit. You need to ignore what I say because how else can you advance your narrative that both sides are the same unless you foist a false position that me talking about Conservative posturing on the deficit equates to me having deficit concern....even though I've said countless times, my deficit discussion is purely about Conservative posturing over it. Because you're lazy as fuck, you keep ignoring that. WHY?
 
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