Bartender/ Actress the lie behind AOC

[dukkha]

No one said it would be a 100% conversion overnight. But the output of green energy has increased over the last ten years, speeding up more each year.

You want to foist a false position on us that the transition would happen overnight, when no one has said that.

The Green New Deal takes years just like the New Deal took years. In both cases, the same Conservative idiots are fearmongering.

So answer me this, if you Conservative idiots were wrong when you fearmongered about the New Deal, why wouldn't you also be wrong when you fearmonger over the Green New Deal?

Basically, what fucking credibility do you have that you can make these kinds of fearful predictions?

AOC says it's a ten year plan because we'll be beyond the point of return in 12 years.
That means we have to get off fossils and on green within 10 years or we're all gonna die.

You can use my same response here for the rest of your posts where you claim all we need to do is transition.
I have no problem with eventual transitions, but I want it done by market forces, and you agree there is no exigent need to do it otherwise

 

[LV426]

you confuse neocons with conservatives - and you neglect to add in neolibs like Hillary and Obama

I did a lot of protesting in the run-up to Iraq.

Never once did I see or meet any self-described Conservatives who also opposed it.

Every single Conservative in DC voted for the Iraq War.

All of them.

Unanimously.

The only Conservatives I met while protesting were there to call me a traitor or anti-American or a terrorist-appeaser.

Conservatives always supported Iraq.

No Bush-Off Machine allowed.

 

[LV426]

AOC says it's a ten year plan because we'll be beyond the point of return in 12 years.

Great!

And in the last 10 years, green energy development and research massively increased output.

So what AOC is calling for is to triple down on that investment to speed up that increased output even faster.

Again, hard to see how this doesn't create opportunity.

 

[dukkha]

"No True Scotsman" doesn't work on me.

And Obama opposed the Iraq War.

Hillary only supported it because Bush and Cheney lied to everyone and convinced them Saddam was a threat.

I supported Hillary in '08 -i bought the "experience argument" over Obama.
I was willing to give her a pass on 1 bad mistake.

But hen she hawked the regime change of Libya - she was the leading voice in fact, and talked obama into it.
I have actual Emails from her State dept that show that. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23898

Libya devolved from a prosperous literate state with women in power to a failed terrorist infested state
because we removed (assassinated) Qadafi.
That was unforgivable, she didn't learn from Iraq, and demonstrated her neocon ways were intractable.
May she rot in hell for the deaths and destruction she hyped

 

[LV426]

That means we have to get off fossils and on green within 10 years or we're all gonna die

Not quite "we're all gonna die"...more like, "massive sections and parts of the world are going to end up underwater, millions of acres of farmland will be arid and useless, species that complete the ecosystem are going to be eradicated throwing it into chaos (which is already happening in our oceans), and climate refugees will lead to civil strife and conflict (like what has already happened in Syria)."

So yeah, if that's a future we want to have, then we shouldn't do anything. But if that's a future we want to avoid, we have to act.

 

[LV426]

You can use my same response here for the rest of your posts where you claim all we need to do is transition.

We do need to transition, and your laziness is noted.

 

[LV426]

I have no problem with eventual transitions, but I want it done by market forces, and you agree there is no exigent need to do it otherwise

The problem is you don't know what the fuck you want because you're not a person who does any critical thinking.

All you do is react and this post right here is proof that you're a reactionary, not a leader.

You're a follower, not an innovator.

You're lazy, not a hard worker.

You rely on privilege, not on a strong work ethic.

You're useless, so we should leave you behind.

 

[dukkha]

I did a lot of protesting in the run-up to Iraq.

good for you!

Never once did I see or meet any self-described Conservatives who also opposed it.
Every single Conservative in DC voted for the Iraq War.
All of them.

I'm not a DC conservative. I hate the power culture of DC -I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012

again you need to learn the difference between neocon/libs and conservatives

 

[LV426]

I supported Hillary in '08 -i bought the "experience argument" over Obama.
I was willing to give her a pass on 1 bad mistake.

I don't believe you.

I think you're retconning.

There's also no way you can prove this.

I'm not accommodating bad faith.

 

[dukkha]

Not quite "we're all gonna die"...more like, "massive sections and parts of the world are going to end up underwater, millions of acres of farmland will be arid and useless, species that complete the ecosystem are going to be eradicated throwing it into chaos (which is already happening in our oceans), and climate refugees will lead to civil strife and conflict (like what has already happened in Syria)."

So yeah, if that's a future we want to have, then we shouldn't do anything. But if that's a future we want to avoid, we have to act.

so we're back to it has to be done in ten years?

I've been hearing the same since global warming replaced global cooling of the 70's into an ubiquitous "climate change" frankly we are going into a period of less solar activity as well - so i'm very skeptical of this rush toall things green at the expense of our economy.

ALSO we have been reducing pollution and CO2. China has not. why should we be in the Paris Accords under these circumstances? it will take all of our money $93t), and we'll be subsidizing China and India coal...WTF?

 

[dukkha]

I don't believe you.

I think you're retconning.

There's also no way you can prove this.

I'm not accommodating bad faith.

I don't GAF what you believe.
ALTHEA and BAC can vouch for that though -i did support Hillary. Libya was the deal breaker. no way no how after that

 

[christiefan915]

No socialist nor wannabe socialist supports themselves.

 

[LV426]

so we're back to it has to be done in ten years?

It should have already happened. We should have been doing this 20 years ago. But you guys wanted tax cuts instead. So here we are, now under the gun.

10 years is a reasonable amount of time. It took less than that to put a man on the moon, a concept thought impossible in 1961.

I have more faith in American innovation than you, I guess.

 

[LV426]

I've been hearing the same since global warming replaced global cooling of the 70's into an ubiquitous "climate change" frankly we are going into a period of less solar activity as well - so i'm very skeptical of this rush toall things green at the expense of our economy.

It doesn't matter what the label is, the facts are that we are seeing the effects of it in our climate right now.

The droughts, the polar vortexes, the floods, the superstorms, the 80 degree weather in the Northeast in January, the eradication of species, the rise of communicable diseases...all of that is the result of man-made whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

At this point if you are denying that, you're complicit in it.

 

[LV426]

ALSO we have been reducing pollution and CO2. China has not. why should we be in the Paris Accords under these circumstances? it will take all of our money $93t), and we'll be subsidizing China and India coal...WTF?

If we take the lead in developing a green economy here, we can export that to the rest of the world.

You're not thinking big enough.

Small mind, small thinker.

I would never hire you for any project with this attitude of yours.

 

[Sailor]

Can you name one?

 

[LV426]

I don't GAF what you believe. ALTHEA and BAC can vouch for that though -i did support Hillary. Libya was the deal breaker. no way no how after that

Yeah...about that...

The problem is that this ID of yours was created in 2017.

Your other ID, anatta, was created in 2012.

So there's no way you can prove you supported Hillary in 2008 since your presence on these boards didn't begin until 2012.

Unless, of course, you have OTHER IDs you "forgot about"?

 

[LV426]

Anatomy of a Conservative troll

ALTHEA and BAC can vouch for that though -i did support Hillary. Libya was the deal breaker. no way no how after that

This ID of yours was created in 2017.

Your other ID was created in 2012.

So for you to say you supported Clinton in 2008 and only turned on her because of Libya (which started in 2011, before your first ID was created), would mean you have another ID that you forgot about.

Boy, isn't it weird how the bar gets moved again, and more and more IDs of yours come to the surface?

So what's the excuse here? Time isn't linear? You had another ID that you forgot you had? You can see why I am suspicious, right?

 

[Sailor]

^Crack kills.

 

[Ralph]

Look, Jerk-off...among the leading 11 industrialized nations...the United States ranks NUMBER 11.

Even countries like Cuba rank above us.

You are too stupid for this kind of discussion. Go talk with someone about comic books.

Simple....document your BS. Ranks 11th among industrialized nations.....IN WHAT? The cost of healthcare, after socialized medicine has driven the cost of healthcare up....WORLD WIDE?

Yep.....its "I" that is TOO STUPID....yet its you that is incapable of stringing two sentences together. LMAO

Of course you don't want to engage in this type of discussion......you are called out on your lies, false premises and lack of evidence to support your propaganda.

The left personified. All MOUTH, no ASS. You have been watching too many propaganda documentaries by fat asses like the SNOWFLAKE from Michigan.