New shutdown, same issues.
Precisely!
New shutdown, same issues.
look, if the Democrats want to shut the government down because they are not getting their way, again.
So be it
trump is on the right side of this "argument" and right is right
Will Rump take Congress’s deal?
If a new shut down occurs this week...it will be the "FAULT" of Donald Trump. There is NO WAY THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT IT WILL BE THE DEMOCRATS "FAULT."
If there is FAULT...it will be on Donald Trump (abetted by the Republicans in Congress.)
Let me lay my perspective out for you a bit more clearly.
Donald Trump is essentially saying, "I will shut the government down by refusing to sign appropriations or CR's IF THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT HELP ME KEEP MY CAMPAIGN PROMISE TO BUILD A WALL ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER." (Same bullshit as last shutdown.)
I think the Democrats would be insane to give in to that kind of demand...that kind of extortion. (They will not!) It will set a precedent that cannot be allowed to he set. If allowed, Trump could say, "I will shut the government down if the Democrats refuse to fund solid gold toilets for the private quarters of the White House." Or, I will shut the government down if the Democrats refuse to fund a gold throne for me to sit in...or refuse to fund a sign proclaiming the White House TRUMP'S WHITE HOUSE...or any of many other absurd things.
Okay?
The Democrats cannot give in to extortion. And if Trump carries out the threat of his extortion (shutting down the government) it will be all on him.
ALWAYS include shit in any negotiation you are willing to give up with no problem.
Then...when the "give and take" begins...give it up...but pretend it is a great concession so your demands for great concessions on the other guys part seems reasonable.
Trump is being taken for a ride by the Democrats right now. They are doing it with huge smiles on their faces...actually getting a kick out of it.
Never has a jerk-off so richly deserved the ass-kicking he is getting.
So, basically, the democrats role in this is they are determined to not allow Trump to score on a campaign promise—knowing full well Trump won’t sign the ‘compromise’ bill sent to his desk with approximately 1/5th of what Trump asked for [hence, the marks around ‘compromise’].
And democrats escape culpability by framing it as ‘extortion’ on Trump’s part. It must be easy being a democrat lol.
Well, is it fair to say democrats care more about making Trump look bad than government workers getting paid, Frankie?
Or is that too unfair to democrats?
???
you do realize everything you just said could be used in the inverse as well, right?
Yeah!
Anyone in a serious negotiation that does not include bullshit they intend to give up...is a terrible negotiator.
Donald Trump IS ONE OF THE WORST NEGOTIATOR I'VE EVER SEEN.
MY GUESS: He is about to lose the supporters he had in the Congress. Don't get me wrong...they may be willing to go off the cliff with him, but I think they are smarter than that.
We'll see.
So, basically, the democrats role in this is they are determined to not allow Trump to score on a campaign promise—knowing full well Trump won’t sign the ‘compromise’ bill sent to his desk with approximately 1/5th of what Trump asked for [hence, the marks around ‘compromise’].
And democrats escape culpability by framing it as ‘extortion’ on Trump’s part. It must be easy being a democrat lol.
Well, is it fair to say democrats care more about making Trump look bad than government workers getting paid, Frankie?
Or is that too unfair to democrats?
I don’t think you get it
How do you know trump really didn’t want 1 billion and the rio grande handled all along?
Everything you said could be applied in the inverse and you have zero self awareness to see it
They do shit to earn their six figure salary.
It is not "unfair"...it is both stupid and wrongheaded.
The Democrats CANNOT give in to extortion.
Nobody should ever do it.
All that invites is more extortion.
But...for the Trump supporters, I guess this is the only avenue open to them for now. Your Dear Leader is one of the worst negotiators EVER.
You avoided the question.
Why is it wrong to say democrats care more about depriving Trump of a campaign promise [that comes nowhere near breaking the bank] than they do government workers?
Wouldn’t it save everyone a lot of grief just to let Trump have the 5B for a wall?
The extortion argument is weak [it’s actually a fall-back since no one would take democrats seriously if they griped over the 5 billion dollars] since we both know Trump can’t get away with shutting down the government every time he doesn’t get his way.
Doesn’t fly, Frankie.
No I didn't.
Apparently you did not like my answer.
Too bad about that.
You used "unfair" earlier...and now are using "wrong."
Try to stay consistent...so people don't have to show you that you are inconsistent.
In any case, it is not "wrong" or "unfair". It is both wrongheaded (different from wrong) and stupid.
Democrats, in my opinion, CARE A GREAT DEAL MORE ABOUT GOVERNMENT WORKERS THAN TRUMP. But they are not willing to give in to extortion...because that might cause even more grief for government workers in the future.
Now I've answered it twice.
No.
Wake up, Darth.
IT IS EXTORTION PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Trump is saying, "If I don't get my way, I am going to shut down the government."
I KNOW he will not get away with it...but giving in to this extortion might call that into question.
Flies like a Lockheed Martin F-35.
Your counter arguments fly like the Spruce Goose.
I would have agreed with that...if you had put a period after "think."
I don't even know what that word salad was supposed to communicate.
Give it another shot. I might be amused enough to respond.
EVERYTHING could be applied "in the inverse" and I acknowledged that. What do you want...a gold star?
I am well aware of what is going on here. I suspect you do also...and it is causing you some discomfort.
Placing EXTORTION in all CAPS doesn’t lend any credence to your argument, Frankie lol.
The democrat’s argument for not simply giving Trump 5B for a wall is weak.
This shouldn’t be a big deal—everyone knows the money isn’t a big deal. This idea that democrats are acting out of some high-minded principle to save our democracy from The Bad Orange Man and his EXTORTION is ludicrous. It borders on comical it’s so absurd.
Third graders with any street sense could see right through it.
ok dummy let me try to spell it out for you
you are saying "haha, EVERYONE knows that in negotiation you always start higher than what you actually want and then when the other side gives something up they think they've gained! drumpf is stupid!"
when really for all you know trump started with 5 billion to get 1.37 billion and by your own logic dems think they gained something.
your analysis completely lacks self awareness.