‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

[sear]

"I would think an decent god would prefer we question their existance yet follow their teachings" e #176

It's one of my objections to religionists.

- First they insinuate themselves as authorities on the subject.

- Next they spew absurdities, portraying god as a sentience with the vanity of a school girl.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." sometimes attributed to Seneca the Younger (c.3 BCE - CE 65)

I don't fault the accuracy of the above quotation, regardless of attribute. But I live by the following quotation. I'm not silent on the matter. But I share my steps along the way. *

"The tragedy of religion is that it languishes if unorganized, and it suffers corruption if it is organized, and when badly corrupted it has demonstrated a fierce ability to do harm." author Will Durant

* "What I learned in Zen was that all the higher spiritual truths resolve into paradox." Leo Volont

- Trust those that seek the truth, distrust those that claim to have found it. - paraphrase of words attributed to the Buddha

 

[Into the Night]

Fuck you, Jerk-off.



Actually, there are lots of things blind about science...which is the reason scientists are always looking for answers.

But I get the gist of what you almost said...and I agree.

So what?

What does that have to do with the question, "Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?"

My answer is, "I do not know...and I cannot make a reasonable guess."

What are you supposing the answer of science is?

Science doesn't look for answers. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. No theory, scientific, or not, is an 'answer'. A theory is an explanatory argument.

Your answer to the question of God is correct.

Science does not answer the question. It simply doesn't go there. Science is agnostic. There are no falsifiable theories about any god or gods, or even where there is any god or gods at all.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

fuck off

hes about 1000 time the human being you are

His stupidity is only matched by your bad grammar.

 

[Darth Omar]

Occam's razor is one of the two most worthless bits of philosophic dross in existence. (Pascal's wager being the second.) Using Occam's razor you get a pancake flat planet Earth smack dab in the middle of everything that exists.

It is worthless.

Use it the way amateur philosophers (like you) use it...and you will almost always arrive at totally illogical conclusions.



There is nothing wrong with blindly guessing that the Washington Monument is "the Creator."

But attempting to arrive there (or where you went) by LOGIC is patently illogical, Darth.

Try putting it into a syllogistic format.

Give me your P1 and P2...and let's see what C (probably C's) we can arrive at.

Better yet, let me give you the C you want...and you provide the P1 and P2 that gets us there.

C: Therefore the god of Abraham is the creator.

I don’t ‘want’ anything.

The logic speaks for itself. But we can formalize it if you want.

Design is an attribute of intelligence; the universe appears to be designed; therefore, it’s existence points to an intelligent agent.

Have fun with that, Frankie lol.

 

[Into the Night]

Show me the bones of a god and his footprints. we even have eggs of dinos. They are fact, not like gods, all myths and beliefs.

Heh. Jesus Christ is said to have walked on water. Why would he leave a footprint in the mud?

You are making an argument of ignorance fallacy. It is not possible to prove a god or gods do not exist.

 

[Darth Omar]

'Apparent' being the keyword. Occasional natural phenomena look as though they were designed consciously. When a caveman saw them, he was bound to think it was either other people or Gods. It's what a caveman, with no knoweledge of math, physics, chemistry, atoms, gravity, nuclear forces, surface tension, diffusion, crystal formation, geology, space time, the earth's core, shape, size, why wind exists, or tides, the moon, sun, stars, how they work, radiation, photons, etc., would think. If I were him I would believe a God did it all.

What's your excuse?

My ‘excuse’ is, it’s become *harder* to believe that matter and natural law explains all of biological life and the cosmos—and not easier.

You would do well to note that Hawking took the question seriously. What’s your excuse for not?

 

[Into the Night]

Religion is far more popular among Lefties. Most of the religious people in the world are left winged, and that's the great majority. Billions. They overshadow American conservatives a hundred to one.

Bigotry. You are making a compositional error involving people as the class. Religion exists on all sides of the political spectrum. No one has 'the most'.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes we know, you think an eyeball is way too complicated for evolution. Scientists explained how the eye evolved, and how simple that process is, many times, but you never listen.

It is true that many theories have been presented for the existence of the eyeball. Some of them are theories of science. Most are not.

 

[Micawber]

Republicans are more religious and stupid. I'm totally shocked. A rational evidence driven scientists lives his life and concludes there is no god. I'm doubly shocked.

Duh thread.

 

[evince]

His stupidity is only matched by your bad grammar.

you are not a good person



Frank is an excellent person with some real smarts

 

[Micawber]

Heh. Jesus Christ is said to have walked on water. Why would he leave a footprint in the mud?

You are making an argument of ignorance fallacy. It is not possible to prove a god or gods do not exist.

No, you are guilty of a straw man argument. He probably was not asserting what you say he was.
He made a mockery of that fable to be sure. He demands evidence like any rational person does.
There is no physical evidence to support the existence of a deity period full stop.

It amuses me that the fraudsters over time who pressed the existence of deities used
impossible feats and capabilities to prove the fact. It's a paradox. If you need a miracle to
make people believe in a deity, there will be no evidence that it occurred for the simple reason that it
is not possible. And if things are banal and normal, it won't have the societal "earmarks" or trappings
of a deity. That paradox cannot be overcome for the simple reason that there is no supernatural god,
at least none that gives a flying fuck about the human life on this blue planet or supplying us any
evidence. Should a god wish to be seen, it would be a simple matter to appear in space in 3d as a giant face
wink at us, and pose for photographs.

Anyone who believes that there is evidence of God is a delusional lunatic. Anyone who has faith that there is a
god, is exercising BLIND ignorant faith, same as a kid who believes the roadrunner and coyote cartoon is real.
Except the kid has an excuse. Adult cult members have none except the fraud perpetrated upon them and their natural endowment
for dumb and suggestibility.

 

[Micawber]

Science doesn't look for answers. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. No theory, scientific, or not, is an 'answer'. A theory is an explanatory argument.

Your answer to the question of God is correct.

Science does not answer the question. It simply doesn't go there. Science is agnostic. There are no falsifiable theories about any god or gods, or even where there is any god or gods at all.

You are correct, but I would change your language to remove the apologetics.

More accurate and parsimonious is to say it this way:

The scientific case for God is nonexistent.

Also, your definition of science is notable in that it omits use of the words evidence, replication, observation, causation etc. you know, all those important
ones that provide empirical heft and distinguish it from hocus pocus, hooy and total horseshit theorists.
Why? Don't answer.

 

[Ross Dolan]

"There is no proof that there are no gods.

So?" FA #168

"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - Thomas Aquinas

Marsey dotes and dozy dotes and liddlelambsydivy.

Milton Drake, 1943.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Frank isn't an atheist. His God is Obama. The old man has an IQ of about twenty. He gives real atheists a bad name.

If I didn't say it before...fuck you, Jerk-off.

I am not an atheist.

I do not go for the labeling bullshit at all.

There are people who assert there is a GOD.

That assertion essentially is a blind guess...and cannot be substantiated by logic, reason, science, or math.

There are people who assert there are no gods.

That assertion essentially is a blind guess...and cannot be substantiated by logic, reason, science, or math.

There are people who assert it is more likely that there is a GOD...than that there are no gods.

That assertion essentially is a blind guess...and cannot be substantiated by logic, reason, science, or math.

There are people who assert it is more likely that there are no gods...than that there is at least one god.

That assertion essentially is a blind guess...and cannot be substantiated by logic, reason, science, or math.

People who do those things are assholes.

YOU, Rob...are a fucking jerk-off.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I don’t ‘want’ anything.

The logic speaks for itself. But we can formalize it if you want.

Design is an attribute of intelligence; the universe appears to be designed; therefore, it’s existence points to an intelligent agent.

Have fun with that, Frankie lol.

Still waiting for the P1 and P2 that gets you to:

C: Therefore the god of Abraham is the creator.

You are full of shit on this, Darth.

You cannot do it...because it IS NOT LOGICAL.

 

[sear]

Ol' Milty! Gotta love 'im.

When he wasn't guzzling the 80 proof, he could actually get the words right:

Mares eat oat,
and does eat oats,
and little lambs eat ivy.
Kids'll eat ivy too.
Wouldn't you?

Ordinarily I'd not have mentioned it. But Ol' Milt was a huge Hawking fan.

 

[Nordberg]

Heh. Jesus Christ is said to have walked on water. Why would he leave a footprint in the mud?

You are making an argument of ignorance fallacy. It is not possible to prove a god or gods do not exist.

Yep thousands of years ago primitive people explained events by some outside source they called a god. They did not have the scientific knowledge or vocabulary to understand it. Now we do.Science has burned all those bridges to religion . Good, because religion makes man stupider and it is dangerous resulting in wars and abuse of non believers. been pretty cruel to believers too.
It is true there can be no proof shown for a fictional being. I cannot show you absolute solid proof that there is no Sanata Claus. Not even an Easter Bunny, but we know they are not real. Neither is god. You believe, simply supply proof and we will all believe.
If god existed he would have made a worldwide announcement saying so. it would stop all the thousands of religions and end religious wars and abuse. Seems like something a god would do. But thousands of years later, nope. Silence. That is the sound of no god.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

My ‘excuse’ is, it’s become *harder* to believe that matter and natural law explains all of biological life and the cosmos—and not easier.

If you were correct we’d have more people adopting religion instead of less. The truth is that as people learn science they abandon religion, and that means you are wrong – it is not harder to believe that natural law explains life, it’s much easier. A caveman would look at the shining sun and shrug. “It has to be made by a God.” What else could he believe? Today a man can read about exactly what the sun is, and how it was formed, and what keeps it going. He no longer needs a fairytale to explain it.

You would do well to note that Hawking took the question seriously. What’s your excuse for not?

Hawking was surrounded by religious people, many of whom were in his family. Like millions of atheists he found it hard to express his thoughts on the subject for fear of offending them. In my case many of my family were science teachers, all atheists.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Bigotry. You are making a compositional error involving people as the class. Religion exists on all sides of the political spectrum. No one has 'the most'.

There's no error. Lefties are by far more religious than conservatives.

 

[Darth Omar]

Still waiting for the P1 and P2 that gets you to:

C: Therefore the god of Abraham is the creator.

You are full of shit on this, Darth.

You cannot do it...because it IS NOT LOGICAL.

You can’t get to a specific Creator.

But you *can* infer an intelligent agent that lurks behind the apparent design in nature—and you don’t need to break any rules of logic to do it.

Easily, the best candidate is The Abrahamic God.

At least that’s the one atheists spend most of their energy on trying to disprove lol. In fact, that’s the God Hawking was talking about in the OP.