South Africa on edge of anarchy as president demands white farmers’ land is SEIZED

White and black isn't the whole story.

Try oppressors and victims of that oppression. Color them however you chose but truth is still revealed. That's real hard for right-wingers.

The tables have turned and the victims of that demonic oppression now seek the stake in their own land that the oppressors took away.

Conservatives can't seem to figure that out .. but it won't matter.

Right. Describe it like that. Take race out of the equation. Once race is identified as the sole reason for doing something it can only be racism. I am all for
beating an oppressor into submission BAC. Not based on color though. Hope things are going for well for you.
 
Right. Describe it like that. Take race out of the equation. Once race is identified as the sole reason for doing something it can only be racism. I am all for
beating an oppressor into submission BAC. Not based on color though. Hope things are going for well for you.

Silly person. And once you take race out of the equation it can never be race. See how that works?

When the subject is a country with 3/4 majority black people and 10 percent white who until 1992 had de jure racist government,
and the discussion is the new government nationalizing and distributing white owned farms, you can't honestly take race out
of the equation. If the government was white as a matter of law, the acquisition of property under that regime can not be but
due to racism. It was upon a quick read given at 7.5 percent to black people and only on tribal land alloted to black people.

The government distributed the wealth back then just to whites, the government can fix it. Unless you think whites are just going
to hand it over peacefully on fairness grounds.
 
Right. Describe it like that. Take race out of the equation. Once race is identified as the sole reason for doing something it can only be racism. I am all for
beating an oppressor into submission BAC. Not based on color though. Hope things are going for well for you.

The entire Apartheid regime was based upon race based oppression. I don't see how that can rationally be challenged. The euros came, took again, and set up another colonial wealth extraction enterprise . There has never been anything civil about euros bringing 'civilization". And they always seem baffled that no one wants that forced upon them.
 
Silly person. And once you take race out of the equation it can never be race. See how that works?

When the subject is a country with 3/4 majority black people and 10 percent white who until 1992 had de jure racist government,
and the discussion is the new government nationalizing and distributing white owned farms, you can't honestly take race out
of the equation. If the government was white as a matter of law, the acquisition of property under that regime can not be but
due to racism. It was upon a quick read given at 7.5 percent to black people and only on tribal land alloted to black people.

The government distributed the wealth back then just to whites, the government can fix it. Unless you think whites are just going
to hand it over peacefully on fairness grounds.

Exactly. Racism is not a one way street.
 
The entire Apartheid regime was based upon race based oppression. I don't see how that can rationally be challenged. The euros came, took again, and set up another colonial wealth extraction enterprise . There has never been anything civil about euros bringing 'civilization". And they always seem baffled that no one wants that forced upon them.

I believe the rationalization was that savages were not endowed by their creator with the capacity to create a civilization to efficiently exploit resources god intended us to use.
Therefore it was humane to do so, to treat them as brutes and savages. It's the best line they could come up with to justify taking everything they saw despite the presence
of human beings around and about.
 
Exactly. Racism is not a one way street.

I can sign onto that. But oppression is a one way street and the traffic on that street clearly indicates white cars are shoving black cars off the road, or in the fast lane,
extend the metaphor however you wish...
 
Right. Describe it like that. Take race out of the equation. Once race is identified as the sole reason for doing something it can only be racism. I am all for
beating an oppressor into submission BAC. Not based on color though. Hope things are going for well for you.

That is how it's described by people who seek truth and justice .. something seriously avoided by the right.

The entire Civil Rights Era begs to differ with you on describing and acting on racism and racists.

Things are well .. starting radiation/oral chemo next Monday. At least no chemo infusions for a while.

I'm running out of veins. :0(
 
That is how it's described by people who seek truth and justice .. something seriously avoided by the right.

The entire Civil Rights Era begs to differ with you on describing and acting on racism and racists.

Things are well .. starting radiation/oral chemo next Monday. At least no chemo infusions for a while.

I'm running out of veins. :0(

My thoughts are with you brother. You can beat this. You are tough like that.
 
White and black isn't the whole story.

Try oppressors and victims of that oppression. Color them however you chose but truth is still revealed. That's real hard for right-wingers.

The tables have turned and the victims of that demonic oppression now seek the stake in their own land that the oppressors took away.

Conservatives can't seem to figure that out .. but it won't matter.


It's always seemed to me that this inability to figure the deal with race, power, control, subjugation and colonization is in inherent to the eurocentric perceptual reality arising from a misgiven superiority complex. They honestly cannot understand why anyone would not take to being ruled over by a eurocentric authoritarian power structure, they submitted after all, long ago. The tribes of Europe were beaten and slaughtered into submission over centuries into becoming "civilized", subservient, and quiescent subjects to capital and authority which are necessarily intertwined in any eurocentric social construct, certainly of the day. That's what The Inquisition was for; to alter the perceptual reality of the tribes of Europe by the union at that time of church and state into one authoritarian power structure.

By the time the 1500's rolled around, Europe was so racked by syphilis that the aristocracy took to wearing powdered wigs to attempt to hide the ravages of syphilitic hair loss, and the befuddled masses waddled along after creating the fashion, so easily led were they. Swallow-n-follow was already well entrenched behaviorally long before all the empty platitudes of what would become the empty rhetoric of american liberty, independence, equality, representation and fweedumb.

And when they rolled out across the planet to slaughter still more people and take more lands and resources for their God, gluttony, they deemed themselves the rightful Gods of all they “discovered” having long since lost the concept of what it meant to be a human being, so surely none of these other humans were. And their God was now envisioned in human form, and they were gods, all was beneath them.

Then you have these pseudo intellectual white supremacist apologists like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris running around doing their bit to fecklessly attempt a circular explanation for societal outcomes that rests ultimately upon an updated version of social Darwinism and the infallibility of positive feedback loops. Takes quite a bit of contortionism to swallow that, but folks like it, it's comfortable and feels nice to avoid introspection and challenge. Why, the hierarchy is natural.
 
It's always seemed to me that this inability to figure the deal with race, power, control, subjugation and colonization is in inherent to the eurocentric perceptual reality arising from a misgiven superiority complex. They honestly cannot understand why anyone would not take to being ruled over by a eurocentric authoritarian power structure, they submitted after all, long ago. The tribes of Europe were beaten and slaughtered into submission over centuries into becoming "civilized", subservient, and quiescent subjects to capital and authority which are necessarily intertwined in any eurocentric social construct, certainly of the day. That's what The Inquisition was for; to alter the perceptual reality of the tribes of Europe by the union at that time of church and state into one authoritarian power structure.

By the time the 1500's rolled around, Europe was so racked by syphilis that the aristocracy took to wearing powdered wigs to attempt to hide the ravages of syphilitic hair loss, and the befuddled masses waddled along after creating the fashion, so easily led were they. Swallow-n-follow was already well entrenched behaviorally long before all the empty platitudes of what would become the empty rhetoric of american liberty, independence, equality, representation and fweedumb.

And when they rolled out across the planet to slaughter still more people and take more lands and resources for their God, gluttony, they deemed themselves the rightful Gods of all they “discovered” having long since lost the concept of what it meant to be a human being, so surely none of these other humans were. And their God was now envisioned in human form, and they were gods, all was beneath them.

Then you have these pseudo intellectual white supremacist apologists like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris running around doing their bit to fecklessly attempt a circular explanation for societal outcomes that rests ultimately upon an updated version of social Darwinism and the infallibility of positive feedback loops. Takes quite a bit of contortionism to swallow that, but folks like it, it's comfortable and feels nice to avoid introspection and challenge. Why, the hierarchy is natural.

Racism and white supremacy runs deep in this country. Always has.

Consider that you and I have been alive longer that African-Americans have been relatively free in America .. and we've been here for over 400 years.

The good news is that racist apologists are no longer writing the narrative that growing numbers of Americans understand and believe.

I've been fighting this battle since the 60's and make no mistake about it, I have great appreciation for you and fellow Americans of conscience my brother.
 
No I would not have. I like discussing things with you Fentoine. Obviously we have our differences in opinion. I just want to state for the record that I have seen the worst of humanity and some of the best. From my own personal experience there are many more good people than bad.
I believe that, too and thank the Goddess that there are.
 
That is how it's described by people who seek truth and justice .. something seriously avoided by the right.

The entire Civil Rights Era begs to differ with you on describing and acting on racism and racists.

Things are well .. starting radiation/oral chemo next Monday. At least no chemo infusions for a while.

I'm running out of veins. :0(
You are always in my thought and my hope is that your results are as good as mine. 12 years a survivor! I am so grateful.
 
Racism and white supremacy runs deep in this country. Always has.

Consider that you and I have been alive longer that African-Americans have been relatively free in America .. and we've been here for over 400 years.

The good news is that racist apologists are no longer writing the narrative that growing numbers of Americans understand and believe.

I've been fighting this battle since the 60's and make no mistake about it, I have great appreciation for you and fellow Americans of conscience my brother.

Born in 1955 and raised in the south, saw it all go down. 3 fucking black-n-white channels, but journalism was still alive and the public was informed - or could be if they were paying heed. The dogs, the fire hoses, the head cracking, the national guard mowing down college students, the sheer thuggery of the power of the state aimed against the people, COINTELLPRO, body bags coming back from war, citizens politically active in the streets.

Can't have the public involved politically now can we, let's turn the media over to concentrated corporate wealth and power, let's squeeze the public economically, let's redivide the masses along racial and economic lines and pit them against one another. Same as it ever was; lest the unsubstantial people understand where their power lies.
 
Born in 1955 and raised in the south, saw it all go down. 3 fucking black-n-white channels, but journalism was still alive and the public was informed - or could be if they were paying heed. The dogs, the fire hoses, the head cracking, the national guard mowing down college students, the sheer thuggery of the power of the state aimed against the people, COINTELLPRO, body bags coming back from war, citizens politically active in the streets.

Can't have the public involved politically now can we, let's turn the media over to concentrated corporate wealth and power, let's squeeze the public economically, let's redivide the masses along racial and economic lines and pit them against one another. Same as it ever was; lest the unsubstantial people understand where their power lies.
1955 was a very good year, a lot of classics!
 
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