USFREEDOM911
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No suggestion on my part; but I understand your need(s), Frank.
Why do you allow the lies?
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No suggestion on my part; but I understand your need(s), Frank.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
NO; I respond to you so everyone can see your desperation to "win", even when your know your losing.
But I understand, Frank.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Fake News?
Republican pressure intensifies to end family separations at border
The Trump administration is facing mounting pressure from fellow Republicans and other allies to end the practice of separating children from parents caught illegally crossing the border, as backlash over the enforcement policy quickly escalates into a political crisis.
Some GOP lawmakers want the administration to stop the policy on its own, while Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and others are proposing emergency legislation. Senate Majority Whip Cornyn, R-Texas, said Tuesday he thinks Congress might be able to act on the issue this week. “We need to fix it,” Majority Leader Mitch McConnell added.
House Republicans reportedly are working on their own plan to allow children to be detained for extended periods with their parents, loosening rules that now limit the amount of time minors can be held to 20 days. Meanwhile, GOP governors are pulling their state's National Guard troops from the border in protest.
All this comes as President Trump and top Cabinet officials put the blame on Congress, in the run-up to a meeting late Tuesday between the president and House Republicans -- where discussion of the family-separation backlash will likely dominate.
On Twitter, Trump has not backed down.
"The time is now for the White House to end the cruel, tragic separations of families," Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, said.
Figures ranging from religious conservative leaders to the head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have condemned the policy.
At the state level, Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, both Republicans, announced that they would reverse decisions to send National Guard troops to the border, citing the separation of families.
"Until this policy of separating children from their families has been rescinded, Maryland will not deploy any National Guard resources to the border. Earlier this morning, I ordered our 4 crewmembers & helicopter to immediately return from where they were stationed in New Mexico," Hogan tweeted Tuesday.
Governor Larry Hogan
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@GovLarryHogan
Until this policy of separating children from their families has been rescinded, Maryland will not deploy any National Guard resources to the border. Earlier this morning, I ordered our 4 crewmembers & helicopter to immediately return from where they were stationed in New Mexico.
Governor Larry Hogan
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@GovLarryHogan
Washington has failed again & again to deliver needed immigration reform - Congress and the administration must step up and work together to fix our broken system. Immigration enforcement efforts should focus on criminals, not separating innocent children from their families.
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Trump and members of his administration have said that it is Congress that needs to act, as they are just enforcing the laws on the books.
“Now is the best opportunity ever for Congress to change the ridiculous and obsolete laws on immigration,” Trump said on Twitter Tuesday.
"Fundamentally, we are enforcing the law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said on “The Ingraham Angle” on Monday night. "Hopefully people will get the message ... and not break across the border unlawfully."
Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, in the face of tough questioning from the White House press corps, defended the policy at a heated press briefing on Monday.
Specifically, Nielsen called for Congress to overturn the Flores Settlement Agreement and expansions of it which do not allow families to be housed together, and accused critics of wanting only open borders, which she said would benefit child smugglers.
“Those who criticize the enforcement of our laws have offered only one countermeasure: open borders, the quick release of all illegal alien families and the decision not to enforce our laws,” she said. “This policy would be disastrous.”
She said there has been a 314 percent increase in adults and children arriving at the border fraudulently in the last five months. Nielsen also blasted Congress for demanding the administration not enforce the laws that Congress itself has passed.
Yet other Republicans are now putting pressure on the administration to change course.
“I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel,” former first lady Laura Bush said in an op-ed for The Washington Post. “It is immoral. And it breaks my heart."
“The administration’s current family separation policy is an affront to the decency of the American people, and contrary to principles and values upon which our nation was founded,” Arizona senator and longtime Trump foe John McCain said in a statement. “The administration has the power to rescind this policy. It should do so now.”
While some of those voices are establishment GOP voices who have often grimaced at Trump’s hardline immigration policies and rhetoric, even some on the right flank of the party are demanding immediate action.
A number of immigration bills are under consideration in Congress, addressing the family separations to various degrees. A bill supported by Republican leaders, which would end the diversity lottery visa and fund Trump’s border wall, would also end the separations by housing children with adults.
Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., the head of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, said on “Fox & Friends” that a more conservative bill being introduced Tuesday afternoon would also address the issue while keeping a narrower focus and keeping out more controversial topics.
“What it does it deals with this issue we're having at the border with separation of children from their parents,” he said. “It also deals with some of the asylum issues at the border, but it also takes out some of the more controversial issues like sanctuary cities, the wall, [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals], and it keeps it very narrow,” he said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...fies-to-end-family-separations-at-border.html
Republican pressure intensifies to end family separations at border
The Trump administration is facing mounting pressure from fellow Republicans and other allies to end the practice of separating children from parents caught illegally crossing the border, as backlash over the enforcement policy quickly escalates into a political crisis.
Some GOP lawmakers want the administration to stop the policy on its own, while Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and others are proposing emergency legislation. Senate Majority Whip Cornyn, R-Texas, said Tuesday he thinks Congress might be able to act on the issue this week. “We need to fix it,” Majority Leader Mitch McConnell added.
House Republicans reportedly are working on their own plan to allow children to be detained for extended periods with their parents, loosening rules that now limit the amount of time minors can be held to 20 days. Meanwhile, GOP governors are pulling their state's National Guard troops from the border in protest.
All this comes as President Trump and top Cabinet officials put the blame on Congress, in the run-up to a meeting late Tuesday between the president and House Republicans -- where discussion of the family-separation backlash will likely dominate.
On Twitter, Trump has not backed down.
"The time is now for the White House to end the cruel, tragic separations of families," Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, said.
Figures ranging from religious conservative leaders to the head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have condemned the policy.
At the state level, Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, both Republicans, announced that they would reverse decisions to send National Guard troops to the border, citing the separation of families.
"Until this policy of separating children from their families has been rescinded, Maryland will not deploy any National Guard resources to the border. Earlier this morning, I ordered our 4 crewmembers & helicopter to immediately return from where they were stationed in New Mexico," Hogan tweeted Tuesday.
Governor Larry Hogan
✔
@GovLarryHogan
Until this policy of separating children from their families has been rescinded, Maryland will not deploy any National Guard resources to the border. Earlier this morning, I ordered our 4 crewmembers & helicopter to immediately return from where they were stationed in New Mexico.
Governor Larry Hogan
✔
@GovLarryHogan
Washington has failed again & again to deliver needed immigration reform - Congress and the administration must step up and work together to fix our broken system. Immigration enforcement efforts should focus on criminals, not separating innocent children from their families.
9:14 AM - Jun 19, 2018
15.9K
6,180 people are talking about this
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Trump and members of his administration have said that it is Congress that needs to act, as they are just enforcing the laws on the books.
“Now is the best opportunity ever for Congress to change the ridiculous and obsolete laws on immigration,” Trump said on Twitter Tuesday.
"Fundamentally, we are enforcing the law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said on “The Ingraham Angle” on Monday night. "Hopefully people will get the message ... and not break across the border unlawfully."
Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, in the face of tough questioning from the White House press corps, defended the policy at a heated press briefing on Monday.
Specifically, Nielsen called for Congress to overturn the Flores Settlement Agreement and expansions of it which do not allow families to be housed together, and accused critics of wanting only open borders, which she said would benefit child smugglers.
“Those who criticize the enforcement of our laws have offered only one countermeasure: open borders, the quick release of all illegal alien families and the decision not to enforce our laws,” she said. “This policy would be disastrous.”
She said there has been a 314 percent increase in adults and children arriving at the border fraudulently in the last five months. Nielsen also blasted Congress for demanding the administration not enforce the laws that Congress itself has passed.
Yet other Republicans are now putting pressure on the administration to change course.
“I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel,” former first lady Laura Bush said in an op-ed for The Washington Post. “It is immoral. And it breaks my heart."
“The administration’s current family separation policy is an affront to the decency of the American people, and contrary to principles and values upon which our nation was founded,” Arizona senator and longtime Trump foe John McCain said in a statement. “The administration has the power to rescind this policy. It should do so now.”
While some of those voices are establishment GOP voices who have often grimaced at Trump’s hardline immigration policies and rhetoric, even some on the right flank of the party are demanding immediate action.
A number of immigration bills are under consideration in Congress, addressing the family separations to various degrees. A bill supported by Republican leaders, which would end the diversity lottery visa and fund Trump’s border wall, would also end the separations by housing children with adults.
Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., the head of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, said on “Fox & Friends” that a more conservative bill being introduced Tuesday afternoon would also address the issue while keeping a narrower focus and keeping out more controversial topics.
“What it does it deals with this issue we're having at the border with separation of children from their parents,” he said. “It also deals with some of the asylum issues at the border, but it also takes out some of the more controversial issues like sanctuary cities, the wall, [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals], and it keeps it very narrow,” he said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...fies-to-end-family-separations-at-border.html
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USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
And I gave you a suggestion of how you could convince the DNC to help you get what you want to see done.
No copout, you just realized that your desire would be laughed at and you can't deal with that.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
OHHHHHHHHHH; so you just want to flap your lips and see your BS in print.
Got it.
I understand, Frank.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Our borders, I thought you were keeping up with the conversation.
So you are a liberal and just want to give away what's not yours, while refusing to put yourself in the forefront.
Plus; I love being here in AMERICA, THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
But just because they WANT to come here, doesn't mean they have the right to.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
More Fake News?
Trump losing GOP and media allies in outcry over separating immigrant families
A Republican president has a problem when he's lost the New York Post.
And religious leaders who have backed him on just about everything he's done.
And the last Republican first lady.
And his own wife feels compelled to speak out.
That's where Donald Trump is right now on the practice that has separated nearly 2,000 children from their parents at the border, warehousing them in converted stores and buildings.
In the face of a tsunami of critical media coverage, some of Trump's own allies are breaking with him on this one. And here's why.
The immigration debate is fraught with complexity, with arguments about border security, chain migration and building a wall on one side and about protecting the "Dreamers" brought here as kids on the other.
But there is nothing complicated about the heart-rending images of children, some of them babies and toddlers, being seized from their parents. The pictures are searing, and they are offensive to a great many Americans.
Even the president says he hates seeing the kids taken away. He said yesterday the family separations are "so sad" and again called on the Democrats to make a deal.
But that leads to the second reason why this sad spectacle is so politically damaging for him. Trump keeps insisting that he has no choice, that his administration is following the law, and that it's the Democrats' fault for not reaching an immigration compromise.
The great majority of journalists, fact-checkers and independent experts who have looked at the situation say that's not true. The practice is based on a policy that Trump could change today. Reporters are out-and-out accusing him of lying.
There is video of Jeff Sessions, a few months ago, announcing the new "zero tolerance" policy, and explicitly warning that children may be taken from their parents. White House adviser Stephen Miller called it "a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry, period" in a New York Times interview last week.
The president says he's not using the separation of children as leverage to get a better deal on immigration legislation. But the appearance is very different.
Such pressure tactics are common in legislative horse trading, but the family separations are now widely viewed as beyond the pale. Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen isn't getting much traction for accusing the press of "irresponsible and unproductive" misreporting.
CBS's Gayle King said the Border Patrol objected to the terminology that the kids are being kept in "cages" but said the word isn't inaccurate.
And Fox's Judge Andrew Napolitano yesterday ripped the policy as "child abuse."
Some Trump supporters defend the practice as a deterrent, meaning that illegal immigrants would be less likely to try to cross the border, or apply for asylum, if they know they might lose their children. That may well be true. But the pictures of crying kids have proven toxic.
In a rare policy statement, Melania Trump said she "hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together," and "believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with a heart."
Laura Bush, in a column for The Washington Post, wrote: “I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart."
And there were these strong words in an editorial in Rupert Murdoch's New York Post:
"It's not just that this looks terrible in the eyes of the world. It is terrible: at least 2,000 children ripped from their parents' arms, sometimes literally, in just the first six weeks."
Anthony Scaramucci, the Trump loyalist and former communications director, told CNN about his former boss: "He's got to step in there and end this thing because I think it's an atrocious policy, it's inhumane, it's offensive to the average American. It does not represent American values."
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has denounced the policy, and the Rev. Franklin Graham, a Trump supporter who called the Stormy Daniels allegations "nobody's business,” said the family separations are "disgraceful."
I have deliberately focused here on the outcry among those who are usually strong supporters of the 45th president. Democrats and other detractors have gone even further in their language, some even using Nazi analogies. But it is far more unusual for Republicans and Trump acolytes to turn on their man.
The president is entitled to fight for his immigration stance, which he spelled out during the campaign. But the situation involving children seems to be a major miscalculation. And it's hard to imagine that the policy will last much longer without some kind of face-saving deal.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/19/trump-losing-gop-and-media-allies-in-outcry-over-separating-immigrant-families.html
Trump losing GOP and media allies in outcry over separating immigrant families
A Republican president has a problem when he's lost the New York Post.
And religious leaders who have backed him on just about everything he's done.
And the last Republican first lady.
And his own wife feels compelled to speak out.
That's where Donald Trump is right now on the practice that has separated nearly 2,000 children from their parents at the border, warehousing them in converted stores and buildings.
In the face of a tsunami of critical media coverage, some of Trump's own allies are breaking with him on this one. And here's why.
The immigration debate is fraught with complexity, with arguments about border security, chain migration and building a wall on one side and about protecting the "Dreamers" brought here as kids on the other.
But there is nothing complicated about the heart-rending images of children, some of them babies and toddlers, being seized from their parents. The pictures are searing, and they are offensive to a great many Americans.
Even the president says he hates seeing the kids taken away. He said yesterday the family separations are "so sad" and again called on the Democrats to make a deal.
But that leads to the second reason why this sad spectacle is so politically damaging for him. Trump keeps insisting that he has no choice, that his administration is following the law, and that it's the Democrats' fault for not reaching an immigration compromise.
The great majority of journalists, fact-checkers and independent experts who have looked at the situation say that's not true. The practice is based on a policy that Trump could change today. Reporters are out-and-out accusing him of lying.
There is video of Jeff Sessions, a few months ago, announcing the new "zero tolerance" policy, and explicitly warning that children may be taken from their parents. White House adviser Stephen Miller called it "a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry, period" in a New York Times interview last week.
The president says he's not using the separation of children as leverage to get a better deal on immigration legislation. But the appearance is very different.
Such pressure tactics are common in legislative horse trading, but the family separations are now widely viewed as beyond the pale. Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen isn't getting much traction for accusing the press of "irresponsible and unproductive" misreporting.
CBS's Gayle King said the Border Patrol objected to the terminology that the kids are being kept in "cages" but said the word isn't inaccurate.
And Fox's Judge Andrew Napolitano yesterday ripped the policy as "child abuse."
Some Trump supporters defend the practice as a deterrent, meaning that illegal immigrants would be less likely to try to cross the border, or apply for asylum, if they know they might lose their children. That may well be true. But the pictures of crying kids have proven toxic.
In a rare policy statement, Melania Trump said she "hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together," and "believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with a heart."
Laura Bush, in a column for The Washington Post, wrote: “I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart."
And there were these strong words in an editorial in Rupert Murdoch's New York Post:
"It's not just that this looks terrible in the eyes of the world. It is terrible: at least 2,000 children ripped from their parents' arms, sometimes literally, in just the first six weeks."
Anthony Scaramucci, the Trump loyalist and former communications director, told CNN about his former boss: "He's got to step in there and end this thing because I think it's an atrocious policy, it's inhumane, it's offensive to the average American. It does not represent American values."
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has denounced the policy, and the Rev. Franklin Graham, a Trump supporter who called the Stormy Daniels allegations "nobody's business,” said the family separations are "disgraceful."
I have deliberately focused here on the outcry among those who are usually strong supporters of the 45th president. Democrats and other detractors have gone even further in their language, some even using Nazi analogies. But it is far more unusual for Republicans and Trump acolytes to turn on their man.
The president is entitled to fight for his immigration stance, which he spelled out during the campaign. But the situation involving children seems to be a major miscalculation. And it's hard to imagine that the policy will last much longer without some kind of face-saving deal.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/19/trump-losing-gop-and-media-allies-in-outcry-over-separating-immigrant-families.html
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USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Why would I want to??
I love America and have no problem with anyone, as long as they come here legally.
Your beliefs mean nothing.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
It's all they have left, so I just laugh at their comments of such.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Not sure what you're used to, on other boards; but on JPP, it's usually expected that a person types out their rebuttals or presentations.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Since your dishonesty is now proven by your choice of cherry picking only parts of my posts, this will only be tolerated up to 4:22 pm (my time).
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Untrue; but I can see why you want to continue with this lie.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
So it's my fault that your plan had flaws that you failed to consider.
That's your failure and not mine.
A man who is unmoved by the roars and squeals of the fickle mob is a man to be admired, IMO.
Will you hail Trump for his steadfastness, dear Brother?
Isn't there a statutorily-prescribed procedure for immigrating to the United States?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Did you overlook or just ignore this part:
iii) An adult relative (brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandparent) who is not presently in Service detention, unless a determination is made that the detention of such juvenile is required to secure his or her timely appearance before the Service or the Immigration Court or to ensure the juvenile's safety or that of others. In cases where the parent, legal guardian, or adult relative resides at a location distant from where the juvenile is detained, he or she may secure release at a Service office located near the parent, legal guardian, or adult relative.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
And that's all they discussed and worked on, for 23 months - Is that what your saying??
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Yes he did and the only fiction is you trying to rewrite known history.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Since Obama had a majority in both houses, from January 2009 till November 2010, and your trying to tell me that in 23 months they couldn't address the illegal immigration problem?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
When you let in anyone who wants to be here, for any reason, you have no borders.