USFREEDOM911
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And you apparently want to continue to promote the talking points and Obama did separate families.
Why do you allow the lies?
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And you apparently want to continue to promote the talking points and Obama did separate families.
That is exactly what you suggested. You suggested these people bring their separation on themselves, even though separation doesn't need to occur and Trump is only doing it to inflict terror on children.
That's abuser behavior. Do you also beat your wife?
Oh, wait...
No way you're married.
That is exactly "look what you made me do".
And the thing is, you don't even need to separate the families. You're doing it simply to instill terror in children and punish imaginary immigrants.
But that's what you did, coward. You solicited a plan, couldn't pick it apart, and instead copped out.
OMFG.
That is "unaccompanied children", not children arriving with their families.
Thanks for proving my point that all you're doing is trying to conflate topics in the hopes you fatigue the conversation.
Well, I'm not a quitter like you, so it's not going to work.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Since Obama had a majority in both houses, from January 2009 till November 2010, your trying to tell me that in 23 months they couldn't address the illegal immigration problem?
Seems to me that they were really incompetent, if you're saying they didn't have the time.
That is exactly what this is about. And what you provided here isn't the law that says children should be separated. The whole thing you posted is about unaccompanied juveniles, not kids arriving with their parents.
You're a liar and a fraud.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Republicans abandon Trump, demand end to zero-tolerance border policy
Congressional Republicans beat a full-scale retreat Monday from the administration’s zero-tolerance border policy, joining Democrats to demand that President Trump stop jailing parents and find ways to keep families together while trying to stop a new surge of illegal immigration.
High-profile Republicans said they are writing bills that would end family separations, and Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker, a Republican, said he will no longer allow his National Guard troops to assist with border security as a protest against Mr. Trump’s policies.
Former first lady Laura Bush also weighed in, comparing family separations to internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.
But Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said both President Obama and President George W. Bush — Mrs. Bush’s husband — both oversaw family separations at the border on their watch, too.
“Their rate was less than ours, but they absolutely did this,” she said.
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders added that it was Mr. Bush who signed a key 2008 law that the administration blames for helping create the conditions that lead to family separation.
SEE ALSO: El Salvador says Trump violating human rights with border policy
The comments came as the administration tried to hold the line against a hostile press corps, rabid Democrats and increasingly skittish Republicans.
Ms. Nielsen called Democrats “cowardly” for refusing to work with Mr. Trump on solutions.
“Congress and the courts created this problem, and Congress alone can fix it,” she said.
She said answers offered by Democrats — releasing the families into the community, where most of them are unlikely to show up when it comes time for their hearings or deportation — amounts to to “open borders.”
Congressional Republicans, though, are abandoning the administration and stepping up with their own plans that would stop separations.
Sen. Ted Cruz, Texas Republican, said he’s writing legislation that would double the number of immigration judges, vastly expand the amount of space detention space Homeland Security has to hold families, and push for faster decisions on asylum claims so people get quick answers and can either be released if they are deserving, or deported if they are rejected.
“While these cases are pending, families should stay together. Children belong with their mothers and fathers,” Mr. Cruz said.
Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican, said he’ll revive a bill he wrote four years ago, back when the first surge of illegal immigrant children and families overwhelmed the Obama administration and sent Homeland Security scrambling to buy more detention beds for families.
Democrats at the time objected, and that refusal, combined with court rulings and a complex web of laws protecting some illegal immigrant children, has created the mess that’s ensued.
Nearly 70 children are being separated each day now, according to numbers released on Capitol Hill — up from fewer than 50 just weeks ago.
Separations happen for a number of reasons. Sometimes a parent is deemed abusive or a security risk, and other times an adult shows up trying to claim parentage of an unrelated child — sometimes the child was even abducted along the way so someone could pose as a family. There have been hundreds of those cases so far this year, Homeland Security says.
But the big change has been the Trump zero-tolerance policy. Border Patrol agents are now referring almost all illegal immigrants at the border for prosecution, and prosecutors are bringing cases against most of them.
Jumping the border has been a crime for decades, but the Bush and Obama administrations used the criminal penalties sparingly, instead treating illegal immigration through the civil side of the law and trying to deport people.
Over the last five years, though, migrants have figured out how to exploit that system, realizing they can get more lenient treatment if they arrive as families, and figuring that if they claim asylum, even with dubious cases, they can often get released into the U.S. where they can disappear into the shadows.
Unwilling to accept that outcome, the Trump administration said it would follow the laws and bring criminal charges. But that means parents who travel with children are getting jailed, and since jails can’t handle families, the children are taken and put into government-run dorms.
Some 2,342 children were separated between May 5 and June 9, Sen. Dianne Feinstein reported, citing Homeland Security numbers.
It’s likely that many of them have already been reunited with their parents, who served a few days in jail, but exact numbers are elusive.
Two new polls Monday found about two-thirds of Americans opposed to family separations, with Democrats adamantly opposed and Republicans more mixed.
In Washington, Democrats have blasted the Trump administration, saying it is using children as bargaining chips to try to win tougher border security and funding for the president’s wall.
“There’s no law requiring the separation of families. President Trump could end this immoral policy today. If he won’t, Congress must act,” said Ms. Feinstein, who has written a bill that would ban most family separations.
Key Democrats say their preferred solution is to release families from detention altogether, but give them counseling. They said a pilot program under Mr. Obama showed that was effective in getting people to show up for their court dates.
The Trump administration canceled that pilot, the Family Case Management Program, last year. Homeland Security didn’t respond to a request for comment on that decision.
Mr. Trump, for his part, said he won’t accept the border being overrun.
“The United States will not be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee holding facility. It won’t be,” he said in brief remarks at the White House, where he again insisted the situation was ‘the Democrats’ fault.”
His aides fanned out across the country to make their case Monday.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Ms. Nielsen were in New Orleans addressing the National Sheriffs’ Association, where they said zero tolerance was the only choice for an administration intent on stopping illegal immigration.
Ms. Nielsen then flew back to Washington where she appeared at the White House to answer questions from a hostile press corps in an evening briefing.
“Is this not specifically child abuse?” demanded one CNN reporter.
Ms. Nielsen countered that the abuse came from parents who sent their children on the treacherous journey north to the U.S. border, braving rape, beatings, robbery and other dangers.
The secretary also said she was stunned by lawmakers who were telling her to stop enforcing the laws they passed making illegal immigration a crime.
“It’s a law passed by the United States Congress. Rather than fixing the law, Congress is asking those of his who enforce the law to turn our backs and not enforce the law,” she said. “That’s not an answer.”
Sen. Kamala Harris, a California Democrat eyeing a presidential run in 2020, said she’d heard enough. She called for Ms. Nielsen to resign.
Congressional Republicans beat a full-scale retreat Monday from the administration’s zero-tolerance border policy, joining Democrats to demand that President Trump stop jailing parents and find ways to keep families together while trying to stop a new surge of illegal immigration.
High-profile Republicans said they are writing bills that would end family separations, and Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker, a Republican, said he will no longer allow his National Guard troops to assist with border security as a protest against Mr. Trump’s policies.
Former first lady Laura Bush also weighed in, comparing family separations to internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.
But Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said both President Obama and President George W. Bush — Mrs. Bush’s husband — both oversaw family separations at the border on their watch, too.
“Their rate was less than ours, but they absolutely did this,” she said.
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders added that it was Mr. Bush who signed a key 2008 law that the administration blames for helping create the conditions that lead to family separation.
SEE ALSO: El Salvador says Trump violating human rights with border policy
The comments came as the administration tried to hold the line against a hostile press corps, rabid Democrats and increasingly skittish Republicans.
Ms. Nielsen called Democrats “cowardly” for refusing to work with Mr. Trump on solutions.
“Congress and the courts created this problem, and Congress alone can fix it,” she said.
She said answers offered by Democrats — releasing the families into the community, where most of them are unlikely to show up when it comes time for their hearings or deportation — amounts to to “open borders.”
Congressional Republicans, though, are abandoning the administration and stepping up with their own plans that would stop separations.
Sen. Ted Cruz, Texas Republican, said he’s writing legislation that would double the number of immigration judges, vastly expand the amount of space detention space Homeland Security has to hold families, and push for faster decisions on asylum claims so people get quick answers and can either be released if they are deserving, or deported if they are rejected.
“While these cases are pending, families should stay together. Children belong with their mothers and fathers,” Mr. Cruz said.
Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican, said he’ll revive a bill he wrote four years ago, back when the first surge of illegal immigrant children and families overwhelmed the Obama administration and sent Homeland Security scrambling to buy more detention beds for families.
Democrats at the time objected, and that refusal, combined with court rulings and a complex web of laws protecting some illegal immigrant children, has created the mess that’s ensued.
Nearly 70 children are being separated each day now, according to numbers released on Capitol Hill — up from fewer than 50 just weeks ago.
Separations happen for a number of reasons. Sometimes a parent is deemed abusive or a security risk, and other times an adult shows up trying to claim parentage of an unrelated child — sometimes the child was even abducted along the way so someone could pose as a family. There have been hundreds of those cases so far this year, Homeland Security says.
But the big change has been the Trump zero-tolerance policy. Border Patrol agents are now referring almost all illegal immigrants at the border for prosecution, and prosecutors are bringing cases against most of them.
Jumping the border has been a crime for decades, but the Bush and Obama administrations used the criminal penalties sparingly, instead treating illegal immigration through the civil side of the law and trying to deport people.
Over the last five years, though, migrants have figured out how to exploit that system, realizing they can get more lenient treatment if they arrive as families, and figuring that if they claim asylum, even with dubious cases, they can often get released into the U.S. where they can disappear into the shadows.
Unwilling to accept that outcome, the Trump administration said it would follow the laws and bring criminal charges. But that means parents who travel with children are getting jailed, and since jails can’t handle families, the children are taken and put into government-run dorms.
Some 2,342 children were separated between May 5 and June 9, Sen. Dianne Feinstein reported, citing Homeland Security numbers.
It’s likely that many of them have already been reunited with their parents, who served a few days in jail, but exact numbers are elusive.
Two new polls Monday found about two-thirds of Americans opposed to family separations, with Democrats adamantly opposed and Republicans more mixed.
In Washington, Democrats have blasted the Trump administration, saying it is using children as bargaining chips to try to win tougher border security and funding for the president’s wall.
“There’s no law requiring the separation of families. President Trump could end this immoral policy today. If he won’t, Congress must act,” said Ms. Feinstein, who has written a bill that would ban most family separations.
Key Democrats say their preferred solution is to release families from detention altogether, but give them counseling. They said a pilot program under Mr. Obama showed that was effective in getting people to show up for their court dates.
The Trump administration canceled that pilot, the Family Case Management Program, last year. Homeland Security didn’t respond to a request for comment on that decision.
Mr. Trump, for his part, said he won’t accept the border being overrun.
“The United States will not be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee holding facility. It won’t be,” he said in brief remarks at the White House, where he again insisted the situation was ‘the Democrats’ fault.”
His aides fanned out across the country to make their case Monday.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Ms. Nielsen were in New Orleans addressing the National Sheriffs’ Association, where they said zero tolerance was the only choice for an administration intent on stopping illegal immigration.
Ms. Nielsen then flew back to Washington where she appeared at the White House to answer questions from a hostile press corps in an evening briefing.
“Is this not specifically child abuse?” demanded one CNN reporter.
Ms. Nielsen countered that the abuse came from parents who sent their children on the treacherous journey north to the U.S. border, braving rape, beatings, robbery and other dangers.
The secretary also said she was stunned by lawmakers who were telling her to stop enforcing the laws they passed making illegal immigration a crime.
“It’s a law passed by the United States Congress. Rather than fixing the law, Congress is asking those of his who enforce the law to turn our backs and not enforce the law,” she said. “That’s not an answer.”
Sen. Kamala Harris, a California Democrat eyeing a presidential run in 2020, said she’d heard enough. She called for Ms. Nielsen to resign.
Hold on, though. I'd say a 2-3 million vote differential is a landslide.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Because you just want to let anyone and everyone in.
Nah. In this forum...the people making fools of themselves...are the poor deluded fools who continue to support that ignorant, abomination in the Oval Office.
The Nazi references are just attempts to remind you poor fools of what happened when Germany's poor fools fell lfor the bullshit of their abomination.
They made a decision to save the economy you ruined, and then fix health care as much as they could. Immigration was next on the docket, but then you guys got control and decided to obstruct everything because you hate that a black man was President.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
So you fucked up and have just decided to continue in your failure.
But you said your post was changed.
Well, the point was that HRC would win by a landslide. And I'd consider a 2-3 million vote differential a landslide win.
No he didn't. He didn't separate families. This is pure fiction from you.
Trump is a loser. Even members of his own party realize it. I wonder what it would take to get the fools who still support him here in JPP to realize it also.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Trump's family separation policy has Republicans starting to panic about 2018
One senior Republican operative, who spoke to CNN on condition of anonymity to speak candidly about a hot-button topic, said the story was "hitting home."
"Worst of all, it's not just affecting border districts but suburban women as well," the operative added.
The Trump administration is facing wave of criticism from popular GOP figures over its separation of families. Former first lady Laura Bush wrote that the family separation policy is "cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart." Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker, the nation's most popular governor, revoked his offer to send National Guard help to the southern border because "the federal government's current actions are resulting in the inhumane treatment of children."
Trump's former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci called it "an atrocious policy" on CNN Monday. "It's inhumane. It's offensive to the average American," he said.
Democrats have gone all-in to draw attention to the family separations. A Democratic delegation visited an immigrant detention center on Sunday, which was Father's Day, to highlight the issue. And California Sen. Kamala Harris called on Homeland Security secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to resign Monday.
A new CNN poll out Monday found that 67% of Americans oppose the separation of children from their parents, with 68% of independent voters disapproving of Trump's position. Among Republicans, however, 58% approve of the policy.
Colorado Rep. Mike Coffman, one of the nation's most endangered Republicans in this year's midterms, said in a statement he told Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday he wanted to "help her put a stop to this human rights disaster at the border" and was willing to introduce the California Democrat's bill to do so in the House.
"This isn't who we are," Coffman said. "My colleagues should mark their words and this moment -- history won't remember well those who support the continuation of this policy."
Still, for some Republicans, breaking with Trump has the potential to be politically perilous and many in Congress are trying to avoid it.
Some are blaming Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Others are lambasting a do-nothing Congress. And a few are dodging the questions entirely.
"Jeff Sessions could change this today," Texas Rep. Will Hurd, one of the most outspoken Republican critics of the Trump administration's policy, said on CNN Monday.
"Neither party should want to separate kids from their parents," California Rep. Jeff Denham, another endangered Republican, said on CNN hours later.
Their responses underscore the challenge facing the GOP in November's midterm elections: The party's base is still loyal to Trump and animated by the hardline anti-immigration platform he ran on. But the images of children separated from their parents and kept in cages near the border -- beyond humanitarian concerns -- are the makings of a political disaster just five months from election day.
Already, several Republicans have faced primary voters' wrath for breaking with Trump. South Carolina Rep. Mark Sanford was ousted in a primary last week. Alabama Rep. Martha Roby faces a runoff. And Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake decided to resign, saying he couldn't win a primary while standing for his principles and criticizing Trump.
Two years after immigration was the central theme of Trump's successful presidential campaign, the issue threatens to damage his party's chances now that the businessman-turned-politician is President.
Missouri Attorney General Josh Hawley, who is challenging Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, picked up on Trump's talking point and blamed Democrats -- without addressing the reality that the family separations are the result of a Trump administration policy and without taking a position on the policy.
"The whole immigration system is a disaster, and Claire McCaskill should answer for that: she's been in D.C. for over a decade and she has shown zero leadership to secure the border, stop sanctuary cities, or protect American workers," Hawley said in a statement. "Nobody wants to see children and parents separated, just like no one should want to see illegal drugs and gangs pouring across our border. But none of that will change until McCaskill and the D.C. crowd take some responsibility and build the wall and secure the border."
Some Republicans in competitive races this fall broke with Trump on the policy but didn't directly blame the President, instead choosing to vaguely blame Washington or Congress.
"I do not favor separating families. Washington is to blame for this by being all talk and no action, and the solution is to secure the border," Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who is challenging Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, said in a statement.
Megan Taylor, a spokeswoman for Nevada Republican Sen. Dean Heller, said: "Senator Heller doesn't support separating children from their families, and he believes that this issue highlights just how broken our immigration system is and why Congress must act to fix it."
Denham's district in the Central Valley of California is a Democratic target in November. His opponent, Josh Harder, called him "Do-Nothing Denham" in a statement Monday.
"I have no doubt Trump and Denham's lack of leadership on immigration spell deuces for Republicans in the midterm elections, especially in a district like ours, with over 40% registered Latino voters," Harder said.
One senior Republican operative, who spoke to CNN on condition of anonymity to speak candidly about a hot-button topic, said the story was "hitting home."
"Worst of all, it's not just affecting border districts but suburban women as well," the operative added.
The Trump administration is facing wave of criticism from popular GOP figures over its separation of families. Former first lady Laura Bush wrote that the family separation policy is "cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart." Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker, the nation's most popular governor, revoked his offer to send National Guard help to the southern border because "the federal government's current actions are resulting in the inhumane treatment of children."
Trump's former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci called it "an atrocious policy" on CNN Monday. "It's inhumane. It's offensive to the average American," he said.
Democrats have gone all-in to draw attention to the family separations. A Democratic delegation visited an immigrant detention center on Sunday, which was Father's Day, to highlight the issue. And California Sen. Kamala Harris called on Homeland Security secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to resign Monday.
A new CNN poll out Monday found that 67% of Americans oppose the separation of children from their parents, with 68% of independent voters disapproving of Trump's position. Among Republicans, however, 58% approve of the policy.
Colorado Rep. Mike Coffman, one of the nation's most endangered Republicans in this year's midterms, said in a statement he told Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday he wanted to "help her put a stop to this human rights disaster at the border" and was willing to introduce the California Democrat's bill to do so in the House.
"This isn't who we are," Coffman said. "My colleagues should mark their words and this moment -- history won't remember well those who support the continuation of this policy."
Still, for some Republicans, breaking with Trump has the potential to be politically perilous and many in Congress are trying to avoid it.
Some are blaming Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Others are lambasting a do-nothing Congress. And a few are dodging the questions entirely.
"Jeff Sessions could change this today," Texas Rep. Will Hurd, one of the most outspoken Republican critics of the Trump administration's policy, said on CNN Monday.
"Neither party should want to separate kids from their parents," California Rep. Jeff Denham, another endangered Republican, said on CNN hours later.
Their responses underscore the challenge facing the GOP in November's midterm elections: The party's base is still loyal to Trump and animated by the hardline anti-immigration platform he ran on. But the images of children separated from their parents and kept in cages near the border -- beyond humanitarian concerns -- are the makings of a political disaster just five months from election day.
Already, several Republicans have faced primary voters' wrath for breaking with Trump. South Carolina Rep. Mark Sanford was ousted in a primary last week. Alabama Rep. Martha Roby faces a runoff. And Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake decided to resign, saying he couldn't win a primary while standing for his principles and criticizing Trump.
Two years after immigration was the central theme of Trump's successful presidential campaign, the issue threatens to damage his party's chances now that the businessman-turned-politician is President.
Missouri Attorney General Josh Hawley, who is challenging Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, picked up on Trump's talking point and blamed Democrats -- without addressing the reality that the family separations are the result of a Trump administration policy and without taking a position on the policy.
"The whole immigration system is a disaster, and Claire McCaskill should answer for that: she's been in D.C. for over a decade and she has shown zero leadership to secure the border, stop sanctuary cities, or protect American workers," Hawley said in a statement. "Nobody wants to see children and parents separated, just like no one should want to see illegal drugs and gangs pouring across our border. But none of that will change until McCaskill and the D.C. crowd take some responsibility and build the wall and secure the border."
Some Republicans in competitive races this fall broke with Trump on the policy but didn't directly blame the President, instead choosing to vaguely blame Washington or Congress.
"I do not favor separating families. Washington is to blame for this by being all talk and no action, and the solution is to secure the border," Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who is challenging Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, said in a statement.
Megan Taylor, a spokeswoman for Nevada Republican Sen. Dean Heller, said: "Senator Heller doesn't support separating children from their families, and he believes that this issue highlights just how broken our immigration system is and why Congress must act to fix it."
Denham's district in the Central Valley of California is a Democratic target in November. His opponent, Josh Harder, called him "Do-Nothing Denham" in a statement Monday.
"I have no doubt Trump and Denham's lack of leadership on immigration spell deuces for Republicans in the midterm elections, especially in a district like ours, with over 40% registered Latino voters," Harder said.
Recovering the economy and affordable health care were their priorities.
Immigration was next, but you guys obstructed that.
Why?
How is that surrendering our borders? Don't understand your reasoning, and I would love to so I could tear it apart.