A Civil Discussion: Evolution, Science, Theology, Atheism, Climate

Well until you can provide a working theory that displaces the one which does work then science will proceed on without you regardless of your objections.

You mean the theory that is being espoused today that could be replaced tomorrow when new "facts" are said to have been discovered?
 
Well fine but until you can actually physically identify "God" or the "Evolved Being" then they would remain outside the scope of science. That's the age old, tried and true time tested rule for science.

Until you can provide the actual picture of my very grandfather you say I evolved from 20,000 generations ago, you have no proof.
 
Same logic applies to biblical scripture. Nothing to interpret if you know it a bucket of hogwash.

Frankly I agree that it was not metaphor, it was written by dumbasses who intended that shit to be taken
Strictly and literally. The audience could tie a shoe lace while chewing gum. And you fucktards worship that crapola.
 
You mean the theory that is being espoused today that could be replaced tomorrow when new "facts" are said to have been discovered?

That is correct. If facts come up that dispute a scientific theory, if they are correct, then the theory is refigured or thrown out. Not like religion. It is 100 percent responsive to evidence.
 
That is correct. If facts come up that dispute a scientific theory, if they are correct, then the theory is refigured or thrown out. Not like religion. It is 100 percent responsive to evidence.

Then what you're claiming as facts really aren't fact. By definition, facts are indisputable. If, at a later date, you say the information you have replaces what you previously called facts, then what you had wasn't fact but merely a claim. When it happens again, the same thing applies.

What you're saying is that facts really aren't facts because they can be determined to be wrong but we'll call them facts anyway.
 
It's irrelevant whether or not you understand evolution or the big bang. You do not have the training, the education, or the intellectual background to have an informed opinion. Anything you say on the topic is either wildly misinformed, or irrelevant.

I barely can even grasp quantum mechanics, so I do not offer an opinion on it, or pretend to be armchair expert.

Thats why my post is full of question marks, pinhead.....I'm ready to be schooled on what information you can give me.....I didn't express any opinion on the origin
of the universe.....I say nothing on the topic because I don't know ...I asked questions and you seem to think you have all the answers....

All I know about the big bang is what some scientists say and it doesn't satisfy me....they don't explain it how it happened, they just claim it did....
Did nothing explode and became the universe ?....Are they claiming that everything in the universe just always was and exploded ? Eternal matter ?
How did all the matter involved in the this 'big bang' come to be.....

Give it to me in layman terms....you're so smart it shouldn't be any problem for you....
 
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Thats why my post is full of question marks, pinhead.....I'm ready to be schooled on what information you can give me.....I didn't express any opinion on the origin
of the universe.....I say nothing on the topic because I don't know ...I asked questions and you seem to think you have all the answers....

All I know about the big bang is what some scientists say and it doesn't satisfy me....they don't explain it how it happened, they just claim it did....
Did nothing explode and became the universe ?....Are they claiming that everything in the universe just always was and exploded ? Eternal matter ?
How did all the matter involved in the this 'big band' come to be.....

Give it to me in layman terms....you're so smart it shouldn't be any problem for you....

Sorry, the big bang theory can't be put in layman's terms. It's irreducibly complex!

:cool:
 
Not really. That's making an assumption that over the vast expanse of their time of existence that these primates have not evolved when they in fact have. Constantly. The argument you made does apply to explaining how collateral branches arise and what the forces involved are but all species are constantly evolving at all times. One only has to look at their own children to see irrefutable evidence of that fact.

Right. I'm no expert on the subject. The point I was making was that despite having similar rates of mutation, species that are already well adapted will see fewer of the mutations supplant the population. Like some reptiles and sharks, their evolution has reached perfection and no mutation could provide an improvement that could best the current configuration. As a non expert, this is just my understanding of how evolution works and I understand that I have some gaps in my knowledge
 
Sorry, the big bang theory can't be put in layman's terms. It's irreducibly complex!

:cool:

LOL
Nothing is too complex to explain. There are countless big bang explanations out there. You are hilarious. What you are is a religious science fan. You love science but only have a cursory knowledge of the subject because you deem it too complex to understand and you simply parrot whatever the high preists tell you.
 
the fact that universe is expanding implies a big bang
cosmic background radiation


"Precise measurements of the CMB are critical to cosmology, since any proposed model of the universe must explain this radiation. The CMB has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.72548±0.00057 K.[4] The spectral radiance dEν/dν peaks at 160.23 GHz, in the microwave range of frequencies, corresponding to a photon energy of about 6.626 × 10−4 eV. Alternatively, if spectral radiance is defined as dEλ/dλ, then the peak wavelength is 1.063 mm (282 GHz, 1.168 x 10−3 eV photons). The glow is very nearly uniform in all directions, but the tiny residual variations show a very specific pattern, the same as that expected of a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the current size of the universe. In particular, the spectral radiance at different angles of observation in the sky contains small anisotropies, or irregularities, which vary with the size of the region examined. They have been measured in detail, and match what would be expected if small thermal variations, generated by quantum fluctuations of matter in a very tiny space, had expanded to the size of the observable universe we see today."

Of course why would anyone who thinks a sky daddy conjured it up, making the earth before light, separating lightness and darkness lol, and light and dark defines what a day is instead of rotation of the spherical earth around the sun, etc and the heaven was a dome and he stuck the sun and moon on it like stickers .....bahahaha, care about cosmology?
 
Hello Darth,

Wrong.

What other species can even begin to conceive of CREATING AI?

Is there one I’m missing?

OK, so you're not going to comment on the fact that humans think they are so advanced yet other species have more free time than humans.

How convenient for your argument that you, a human, has decided what the parameters of being advanced are.

Can you stun a fish using sound you create with only your own voice?

No. You would need to use tools. Ah, but there are animals which not only use tools, they communicate, and store messages for for other animals.
 
Hello Micawber,

Of course a evolution denier can’t have a civil discussion with rational people.
They are morons.

No, that's ridiculous. There are plenty of people who deny evolution and are also able to have very civil discussions. Such stereotyping lowers your argument and raises theirs.

Everybody: You have to respect the other side.

Americans: We have to remember that ultimately we are all on the same side. Stop treating other Americans as some kind of enemy. Remember: United we stand, divided we fall.

Cheap shot digs on the other side hurt America.

Contributing to polarization hurts America.

When you polarize, you are doing Putin's dirty work.
 
Until you can provide the actual picture of my very grandfather you say I evolved from 20,000 generations ago, you have no proof.
Nope I sure don't but science doesn't deal with absolute proofs. Science deals with what are the facts to the best of our knowledge.
 
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