Ya and unlike Muslims Coors don't have taqiyya and he backs his claims with primary MUSLIM sources.
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Ya and unlike Muslims Coors don't have taqiyya and he backs his claims with primary MUSLIM sources.
Gotcha68
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You found an opinion that agrees with yours. Cool.
Gotcha68
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Muslims themselves are in disagreement with the veracity of hadith and some Islamic sources because, quite frankly, men are known to lie and embellish their stories to make them sound more interesting. You can literally find any source you want to support any position you want among "primary" Islamic sources because there was a period of time after Mohammed's death when a struggle for power was going on that anyone and everyone were coming up with hadith that supported whatever they wanted to push on the people and gain power.
Islam (like other religions) is bs, in my opinion, but at least be accurate with the bs.
Islam (like other religions) is bs, in my opinion, but at least be accurate with the bs.
Facts to support what I believe compared to your whining that you don't like it.
Lying in Islam is a sin just like in Christianity and Judaism.. That's the reality. Carrying tales and gossip, outright falsehoods that damage people's reputations is also a sin. Taqiyya is quite specific.. Its not a blanket excuse to lie.
If your wife says: "Do I look fat in the dress?" and she does.. to lie about it is Taqiyya. You don't have to be smart to understand the concept.
If you ask your grandkid(s) do they love you and they say "yes", why do they lie? Why are you willing to accept their lies?
It's not an opinion it's a fact backed by numerous primary Islamic sources.
No it's not it's permitted and encouraged to lie to the infidel under the policy of taqiyya, thought we went over that?
The Hadiths are the cornerstone of Sharia and 2nd only to the Koran in authority you laughable apologist POS.
LOLOL.. You don't even know what infidel means. BTW.. its a 16th century English word that comes from fealty.
There were 60,000 hadiths that came out of Persia over 200 years after the death of Muhammed. Most cannot be authenticated.
There are authenticated Hadiths and every school of Islamic jurisprudence uses the Hadiths as the basis for Sharia law, I don't believe in the historicity of Mohammad let alone the legitimacy of the Koran or Hadiths but the Muslims do, your denial of primary Islamic sources is laughable and an argument not shared with any of the 5 mainstream schools of Fiqh.
Now the taqiyya spewing rapefugee is playing word games, infidel is an English translation for the Islamic category of Kafir.
One Arabic language analogue to infidel, referring to non-Muslims, is kafir (sometimes "kaafir", "kufr" or "kuffar"; gâvur in Turkish,) from the root K-P-R, which connotes covering or concealing.[26][27] Another term, sometimes used synonymously, is mushrik, "conspirer", which more immediately connotes the worship of gods other than Allah, and can also be translated as "polytheist".[28][29]
In the Quran the term kafir is first applied to the unbelieving Meccans, and their attempts to refute and revile Muhammad. Later Muslims are ordered to keep apart from them, defend themselves from their attacks, and finally take the offensive against them.[30][31] In some verses, particularly those recited after the Hijra in AD 622, the concept of kafir was expanded upon, with Jews and Christians included.[30] The expanded term kafir refers to anyone who disbelieves in the religion of Islam, who does not pray the obligatory 5 prayers a day, the one that mocks the religion of Islam, the one that sets up intermediates between him and God, who does not regard the kafiroon as kaffirs, whoever believes one's teaching is more reliable and trustworthy than Muhammad's teachings, whoever hates something of Muhammad, whoever practices witchcraft, and whoever supports the kaffirs against the Muslims (in terms of war, harming, etc.).[30][32][page needed][33] Jews were condemned as kafirs for their disbelief in God's ayah, Christians were condemned as kafirs for their belief in the Trinity, which the Qur'an declared as major kufr (disbelief) (kufr akbar), which puts one outside of the pale of Islam (Surah al-Maa’idah – 5:116 for example).[30][32][33][34][page needed]
The corpus of hadith deals with the fate of the kafir in the afterlife and reflects a major controversy in early Islam as to whether a Muslim should be considered a kafir for committing a major sin. Some hadiths prohibit declaring a Muslim to be a kafir, but the term was nonetheless fairly frequent in the internal religious polemics of the age.[31]
Some texts of Sunni sect of Islam include other sects of Islam such as Shia as infidel.[35] Certain sects of Islam, such as Wahhabism, include as kafir those Muslims who undertake Sufi shrine pilgrimage and follow Shia teachings about Imams.[36][37][38][page needed] Similarly, in Africa and South Asia, certain sects of Islam such as Hausas, Ahmadi, Akhbaris have been repeatedly declared as Kufir or infidels by other sects of Muslims.[39][40][41]
In the Quran the term "people of the book" refers to Jews, Christians, and Sabians.[42] Some scholars claim Islam considers Jews and Christians as fellow believers. They are called the "People of the Book (Ahl al-kitab)".[43][44] Other Islamic scholars and literature, however, consider Jews and Christians as kafirs.[citation needed] The class of kafir also includes the category of murtadd, variously translated as apostate or renegades, for whom classical jurisprudence prescribes death if they refuse to return to Islam.[31] On the subject of ritual impurity of unbelievers, one finds a range of opinions, "from the strictest to the most tolerant", in classical jurisprudence.[31]
Historically, the attitude toward unbelievers in Islam was determined more by socio-political conditions than by religious doctrine. A tolerance toward unbelievers "impossible to imagine in contemporary Christendom" prevailed even to the time of the Crusades, particularly with respect to the People of the Book. However, animosity was nourished by repeated wars with unbelievers, and warfare between Safavid Persia and Ottoman Turkey brought about application of the term kafir even to Persians in Turkish fatwas.[31]
Like "infidel", the term kafir has developed into a term of abuse. "In theory" a Muslim commits a punishable offense if he says to a Christian or a Jew: "thou unbeliever".[31]
In Sufism the term underwent a special development, as in a well-known verse of Abu Sa'id: "So long as belief and unbelief are not perfectly equal, no man can be a true Muslim", which has prompted various explanations.[31]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel#Islam
You don't really know what Muslims believe.. Ask 10 Muslims and you will get 10 opinions. You're internet educated, aren't you?
I know what the Hadiths, Koran, and 5 main schools of Islamic jurisprudence say and I can read the PEW Global Attitudes Survey.
You see those numbers? Those are called citations.
Gotcha68
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I'm telling you that your facts are bs. The entire religion is bs, true, but I just explained the general Muslim mindset about hadith etc. It's not whining just because you don't agree with it. Get over your fucking ignorant self and try and listen to other people for a minute. You might learn something that doesn't involve hate.
Gotcha68
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Hadiths are second in authority for Muslims (and for some Muslims they actually come first), yes but, as I mentioned, hadith are full of bullshit made up power driven "facts" that you have to actually wade through and find the reliable ones and very few Muslims bother and almost no non Muslims bother. They leave it up to "scholars" who generally want to sustain the status quo because they would be out of job otherwise.
Believe what you want because you will anyways but then you would be wrong.