Do you trust Arabs/Muslims After 9-11?

The Ugly Truth said:
Fool. Islam is the exact opposite of Christianity. You're not fooling anyone. Nothing good has ever come from Islam. Wherever Islam holds sway, there is torture rape and death. That's a fact.
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Nah, they are the same. Maybe Christianity is worse. The bible is vague enough to allow craziness. Like serpent handling churches. The end of the world cults, which they are many. The Amish. The fundies. So many more that people should laugh at instead of join.
 
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Havana Moon said:
Taqiyya is more a Shia concept than Sunni. It is supposed to be used only if the person's life is in danger. According to Islam, lying is a sin, so the reason to utilise this must be great enough to justify the lying.
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That would explain Trump! He's a secret shite and he's in fear of his life most of the time.
 
Nordberg said:
Nah, they are the same. Maybe Christianity is worse. The bible is vague enough to allow craziness. Like serpent handling churches. The end of the world cults, which they are many. The Amish. The fundies. So many more that people should laugh at instead of join.
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You know nothing.
 
The concept of taqqiya is used to save one's life as in if asked a question and the answer might jeopardize a Muslim's life then the Muslim has permission from God to lie to save his or her own life.

It is not permission to lie just for the sake of lying. Whether Muslims choose to lie just for the sake of lying is up to them just like for Christians or any other believers.
 
Gotcha68 said:
The concept of taqqiya is used to save one's life as in if asked a question and the answer might jeopardize a Muslim's life then the Muslim has permission from God to lie to save his or her own life.

It is not permission to lie just for the sake of lying. Whether Muslims choose to lie just for the sake of lying is up to them just like for Christians or any other believers.
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If anyone here knows Islam intimately, it's you. Ppl should listen.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Let me put this politely. Well, fuck that. BULLSHIT.
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Fact: Mohammad directly committed genocide against the the Jewish Banu tribes in the Arabian Peninsula.

Fact: Mohammad married a girl when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9.

Fact: Mohammad took numerous women as his sex slave concubines EG women who "his right hand possessed."

Fact: after Mohammad tortured and murdered Safiya bint Huyay's husband and father to death he forced her into his harem.
 
Gotcha68 said:
The concept of taqqiya is used to save one's life as in if asked a question and the answer might jeopardize a Muslim's life then the Muslim has permission from God to lie to save his or her own life.

It is not permission to lie just for the sake of lying. Whether Muslims choose to lie just for the sake of lying is up to them just like for Christians or any other believers.
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Lies,

Taqiyya about Taqiyya
04/12/2014 by Raymond Ibrahim 67 Comments

I was recently involved in an interesting exercise—examining taqiyya about taqiyya—and believe readers might profit from the same exercise, as it exposes all the subtle apologetics made in defense of the Islamic doctrine, which permits Muslims to lie to non-Muslims, or “infidels.”

One of the few books exclusively devoted to the subject, At-Taqiyya fi’l-Islam (“Taqiyya in Islam”) make this unequivocally clear. Written (in Arabic) by Dr. Sami Mukaram, a former Islamic studies professor at the American University of Beirut and author of some twenty-five books on Islam, the book demonstrates the ubiquity and broad applicability of taqiyya in its opening pages:

Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.[1]

The following report is written as a response to Mohammed Fadel’s report (henceforth referred to as MFR) which deals with the topic of taqiyya and its place and usage in Islamic jurisprudence. Because MFR is written in a premises-conclusion format, the following report will follow MFR’s numbering schemata, pointing out which premises are agreeable and which are not—offering correctives to these latter resulting in an antithetical conclusion.

http://raymondibrahim.com/2014/04/12/taqiyya-about-taqiyya/
 
PraiseKek said:
Lies,

Taqiyya about Taqiyya
04/12/2014 by Raymond Ibrahim 67 Comments

I was recently involved in an interesting exercise—examining taqiyya about taqiyya—and believe readers might profit from the same exercise, as it exposes all the subtle apologetics made in defense of the Islamic doctrine, which permits Muslims to lie to non-Muslims, or “infidels.”

One of the few books exclusively devoted to the subject, At-Taqiyya fi’l-Islam (“Taqiyya in Islam”) make this unequivocally clear. Written (in Arabic) by Dr. Sami Mukaram, a former Islamic studies professor at the American University of Beirut and author of some twenty-five books on Islam, the book demonstrates the ubiquity and broad applicability of taqiyya in its opening pages:

Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.[1]

The following report is written as a response to Mohammed Fadel’s report (henceforth referred to as MFR) which deals with the topic of taqiyya and its place and usage in Islamic jurisprudence. Because MFR is written in a premises-conclusion format, the following report will follow MFR’s numbering schemata, pointing out which premises are agreeable and which are not—offering correctives to these latter resulting in an antithetical conclusion.

http://raymondibrahim.com/2014/04/12/taqiyya-about-taqiyya/
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Raymond Ibrahim is a liar.

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
 
kudzu said:
Raymond Ibrahim is a liar.

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
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No, he is a respected scholar and I have proven every one of your apologetics as a lie in this very thread using primary Islamic sources just like Ibrahim proved the real nature of taqiyya in his report.
 
PraiseKek said:
Fact: Mohammad directly committed genocide against the the Jewish Banu tribes in the Arabian Peninsula.

Fact: Mohammad married a girl when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9.

Fact: Mohammad took numerous women as his sex slave concubines EG women who "his right hand possessed."

Fact: after Mohammad tortured and murdered Safiya bint Huyay's husband and father to death he forced her into his harem.
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You're wrong on each count.
 
PraiseKek said:
No, he is a respected scholar and I have proven every one of your apologetics as a lie in this very thread using primary Islamic sources just like Ibrahim proved the real nature of taqiyya in his report.
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No he's not. He's a full tome propagandist who misleads the ignorant.
 
PraiseKek said:
No, he is a respected scholar and I have proven every one of your apologetics as a lie in this very thread using primary Islamic sources just like Ibrahim proved the real nature of taqiyya in his report.
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kudzu is one of those that if she disagrees with what it said, she automatically calls it a lie.
 
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