Why is liberal California the poverty capital of America?

The joke of this is all the libs who claim there is so much waste in the military claim that government elsewhere is just fine, as if only one agency - because it is favored by some conservatives - can be problematic. How about the fact that NYC has 400K workers on its payroll, EIGHT TIMES as many per capita as even other liberal shitholes like Detroit?

How about we mass deport all of the illegals, who cost the US over $150BB per year in services and remittances sent out of the country, at least. Honestly, if someone wanted to save wasted money in the US, I'd start right there, but the scumbag liberals will fight that because those illegals are future democratic voters.


Is there any reason you have to lie to make a point. You are one of the least honest people on this board
 
I agree he is trolling me and not you. The facet in bold you left out was "liberal." California has always been "liberal" in the estimation of Republicans, yet not always enjoying the present wealth disparity.
Therefore blaming liberalism can be dispensed with out of hand. But you are conservative so you are much more open to this bait thread, not because of lack of antipathy for Morwron, but because of
confirmation bias.

Why in gods name are you trying to flatter yourself? What makes you think, you pompous ass, that this article or me posting it has anything to do with you? It is an article about a problem in this country. You and your fake ass whatever you post all the time has nothing to do with it. To put it bluntly, you are nothing but a sea slug in all the worlds oceans and are insignificant. Completely unimportant and a bottom feeder with was is left of anything. If you would like to comment on the facts of the OP, please do so, otherwise just move on there fender head.
 
The joke of this is all the libs who claim there is so much waste in the military claim that government elsewhere is just fine, as if only one agency - because it is favored by some conservatives - can be problematic. How about the fact that NYC has 400K workers on its payroll, EIGHT TIMES as many per capita as even other liberal shitholes like Detroit?

How about we mass deport all of the illegals, who cost the US over $150BB per year in services and remittances sent out of the country, at least. Honestly, if someone wanted to save wasted money in the US, I'd start right there, but the scumbag liberals will fight that because those illegals are future democratic voters.

The third largest federal expense is the military behind S.S. and Medicare. To me it has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. Any large govt agency can look at areas of waste and afford to cut back, even the military
 
And those changes will amount to hundreds of billions saved?

If I were to apply tight behavioral rules to municipal and broad federal employees along the lines of what you suggest around the US, FAR more would be saved. Can they be applied to other agencies and cities, or only to the military?

How about the NYC subway, the worst run mass transit agency on earth?

Absolutely. It's not just the army (not military in general. I've done contract briefly with the A.F., much better run from what I've seen. Know nothing about the navy, but from what I've seen there's a difference between the services).
The usps had the insight to shut down the central post office in New Orleans because it was inefficient to the point of being so useless it was actually more productive to close it.
Why can't other gubmint agencies be like that?
I use the example of my experience with the army because it was the most egregious I've ever seen. And I've heard very similar stories from others that have worked in that system. I've heard from some of the honest officers, with whom I've remained friends, and they agree with me about cutting out the dead wood. But the culture seems to be ingrained.
 
It was "well worth the read", Sailor.

I'm not sure we can put our fingers on the actual problem (especially as a discrete cause...and I'm not sure what can turn the situation around.

Do you think going from the left-leaning mind set currently in play in California...to one closer to the essential American conservative mind set would be of help?

It would be as far as addressing the problem and putting your efforts in to it until it is resolved. Then move on to another problem and do the same thing. I find it disturbing that governments ( liberal or conservative as of late) are creating or expanding problems to keep themselves in power and paychecks on the backs of the downtrodden.
 
The third largest federal expense is the military behind S.S. and Medicare. To me it has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. Any large govt agency can look at areas of waste and afford to cut back, even the military
When you consider that S.S. and Medicare are paid into lifelong, they're really not that much of an expense.
It's hard to quantify what we receive out of the military. Not saying we receive nothing, just hard to quantify it.
 
When you consider that S.S. and Medicare are paid into lifelong, they're really not that much of an expense.
It's hard to quantify what we receive out of the military. Not saying we receive nothing, just hard to quantify it.

There are trillions of unfunded dollars in S.S. and Medicare. I would call that a very large expense
 
It would be as far as addressing the problem and putting your efforts in to it until it is resolved.

What do you see as a precedent for this conclusion of yours (with which I disagree)?

Then move on to another problem and do the same thing.

See above.


I find it disturbing that governments ( liberal or conservative as of late) are creating or expanding problems to keep themselves in power and paychecks on the backs of the downtrodden.

I've read this sentence half-dozen times and I cannot make sense of it. I may be missing something...or you may have been less clear than you could have been. Would you say what you are saying here again? I'd like another shot at understanding it.
 
To be honest I don't know much about how S.S. and Medicare are funded other than we pay into it. :dunno:

The $2.5 trillion SS surplus are part of the $20 trillion national debt. SS benefits began exceeding SS revenue in 2010 and those bonds are being redeemed to pay the difference. All treasuries are "unfunded" but are backed by the U. S. government which has never failed to make a payment.
 
Is there any reason you have to lie to make a point. You are one of the least honest people on this board

Asshole, you've accused me of lying about 5 times - yet haven't even stated what I've posted is not accurate. Either prove what I said is false, or I will report you to the mods for harassment.
 
The third largest federal expense is the military behind S.S. and Medicare. To me it has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. Any large govt agency can look at areas of waste and afford to cut back, even the military

Agreed. The federal and local governments have enormous amounts of waste, but you have to start somewhere, and eliminating services for illegals is where I'd start.

Then I'd push to eliminate public employee unions, and reduce headcount of many agencies both federal and local, etc.

The problem is that the democratic vermin would fight those cuts because showering them with money is part of their agenda, just like with Greece. Lots of people on the payroll means you get their votes - and their dependents' as well - plus you're getting the GOP voters to pay higher taxes for it, since they pay most of the taxes in the US. Its a win-win for the dems, which is why government just keeps on growing in this country.
 
To be honest I don't know much about how S.S. and Medicare are funded other than we pay into it. :dunno:

SS is never funded sufficiently one-to-one, you need many people paying into it and only one beneficiary for it to work. Its one of the reasons so many were against the formation of the concept a century ago, and so many want to kill it now. Without permanent population growth - an obvious nonstarter given the country's space and natural resource limitations - the program is unsustainable.
 
SS is never funded sufficiently one-to-one, you need many people paying into it and only one beneficiary for it to work. Its one of the reasons so many were against the formation of the concept a century ago, and so many want to kill it now. Without permanent population growth - an obvious nonstarter given the country's space and natural resource limitations - the program is unsustainable.

Ah, another gubmint Ponzi scheme.
 
Asshole, you've accused me of lying about 5 times - yet haven't even stated what I've posted is not accurate. Either prove what I said is false, or I will report you to the mods for harassment.



I get so tired of educating you morons. Life would be so much easier for you if you just quit telling lies. Here is the definintion so you may learn...





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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_New_York_City

You lied about the number of employees NYC has. Reporting me to mods because you are a liar? geez you are fer shit
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_New_York_City

You lied about the number of employees NYC has.

Who's the liar now, cunt idiot asshole? FUCK YOU.

Either apologize, or fucking die and leave the forum and never come back. You are IGNORED until you apologize, you lowlife scumbag.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downloads/pdf/misc/workforce_profile_report_fy_2016.pdf

"At the close of Fiscal Year 2016, the City of New York employed 383,704 people in professions including teachers, police officers and firefighters; analysts, engineers and inspectors of every description; caseworkers and nurses; administrative and clerical support staff; park workers and road repairers..."

That's close to the 400K I mentioned, moron. You are genuinely fucking stupid, and I say that with 100% certainty. You lose asshole, but then like most leftists over the age of 4, you should be used to it by now.
 
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Who's the liar now, cunt idiot asshole? FUCK YOU.

Either apologize, or fucking die and leave the forum and never come back. You are IGNORED until you apologize, you lowlife scumbag.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downloads/pdf/misc/workforce_profile_report_fy_2016.pdf

"At the close of Fiscal Year 2016, the City of New York employed 383,704 people in professions including teachers, police officers and firefighters; analysts, engineers and inspectors of every description; caseworkers and nurses; administrative and clerical support staff; park workers and road repairers..."

That's close to the 400K I mentioned, moron. You are genuinely fucking stupid, and I say that with 100% certainty. You lose asshole, but then like most leftists over the age of 4, you should be used to it by now.


You seem to have the same emotional issues Trump does
 
This is an Op Ed well worth the read. Direct and to the point, states its facts nicely. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jackson-california-poverty-20180114-story.html

Here is one part that caught my eye. "Self-interest in the social-services community may be at fault. As economist William A. Niskanen explained back in 1971, public agencies seek to maximize their budgets, through which they acquire increased power, status, comfort and security. To keep growing its budget, and hence its power, a welfare bureaucracy has an incentive to expand its “customer” base. With 883,000 full-time-equivalent state and local employees in 2014, California has an enormous bureaucracy. Many work in social services, and many would lose their jobs if the typical welfare client were to move off the welfare rolls."

Maybe it's because that's the way they like it ... problem for you?
 
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