Collusion is nearly impossible to prove,

Jarod said:
That’s not the only claim, that might be the original claim, But any new claims have blossomed.
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Can claim all you want but I'm telling you proving actual collusion is extremely difficult, and as funny as it sounds, I'm mot sure by itself if it is even a crime, is there a law specifically making collusion illegal?
 
NOVA said:
If Jane Fonda nor John Kerry was arrested for the Logan Act....nobody will ever be if there is any justice in the US........
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Hanoi Jane went to Hanoi to suck up to the commies at the downward spiral of the VN war. She went as a private citizen. She did not go as a rep of the U.S. government, or as the rep of an elected-but-not-yet-sworn-into-office U.S. government person.

There is a huge difference between what Fonda did, and what Flynn did. I have no doubt that Trump tapped Flynn *because* of his prior relationships as a lobbyist for Russian interests. Flynn's position as lobbyist is perfectly legal -- of course, assuming that he declared such employment and everything gained from it. But once he became a member of an elected person's team, any contact with foreign government officials in the course of that membership became subject to U.S. law and scrutiny. Logan Act.
 
archives said:
Can claim all you want but I'm telling you proving actual collusion is extremely difficult, and as funny as it sounds, I'm mot sure by itself if it is even a crime, is there a law specifically making collusion illegal?
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Without a quid pro quo, probably not illegal.

Money changed hands with the Steele Dossier though. Maybe Mueller can find some Russian collusion there.
 
Just how do those "sour grapes" taste after a year of fermentation and investigation? Can you hear Mr. Trump now....that the Obama Care Mandate is History? Now...that the largest tax reformation bill in US history is going to pass? Now....that the GDP is growing on a daily basis instead of being stagnated? Now....that the courts are changing by executive appointment...removing the remaining Obama "moles" from positions of power? Now that over regulation via executive FIAT is being removed from the economy? Now.....that Illegal Immigration is drastically reduced? Now that the Stock Market is growing faster than any time since the 90s.....Now that unemployment rate is at its lowest rate since the 90s....Now that more people are coming into the labor force....?

Can you hear him now! Enjoy the "pucker" that is on your lips. :)
 
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Ralph said:
Just how does Russian interference condemn Mr. Trump? After all.....it was a demoncrat pardon of the one that allowed Wikileaks to gain access to the classified info (the shim Manning) that shows support of collusion and treasonous action....while the democrat Sec. of State used a private, unsecured network that allowed the Russians to hack into the DNC and reveal many of the things that made Hillary "un electable" in the first place. That's some "Bad Hat" Harry you are attempting to place on Mr. Trump's head.

Anyone with any sense has nothing against going after any Russian connection.....but the blame needs to be placed where the problem started, the Democrats acting as if "Russia" was so "yesterday" and powerless today that it posed no threat to US national security. This is laughable.
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Never said it did now did I?

You were in such hurry to regurgitate all the talk radio inneundos that everyone has heard endlessly into the exchange that you completely missed the topic

And as for your scenarios, as Sessions told Jordan when he regurgitated the same inneundos, you can't wish it, you need facts
 
archives said:
Never said it did now did I?

You were in such hurry to regurgitate all the talk radio inneundos that everyone has heard endlessly into the exchange that you completely missed the topic

And as for your scenarios, as Sessions told Jordan when he regurgitated the same inneundos, you can't wish it, you need facts
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These are the facts. No Russian Collusion between Trump and Russia.....and a changing attitude in DC as a result of REAL LEADERSHIP dedicated to THE PEOPLE instead of the Elite.

Enjoy the pucker from the taste of "sour grapes"......the pucker factor must be exponential after a year's worth of fermentation with the GDP Growing, OBAMA CARE MANDATE GONE, the greatest tax reformation in US history on the verge of becoming law, a reduced rate of illegal immigration, the lowest unemployment rate since the 90s when a republican congress made a "contract with America" to reform welfare and stimulate the economy.....does it TASTE GOOD? Does it taste good as one left leaning pervert after another begins to fall? Looks like the swamp is being drained....one demonrat at a time.

Look for the 1800 or so sealed "indictments" coming from the DOJ....very soon. Its has the demonrats reversing position so fast they need foot and neck brace(lets) You know something big is up when the Rhino McCain (who hates Trump with a passion) now gets on board the Trump Train. Let the show continue. What I find pricesless is the fact that Fancy Nancy is now under attack by the Black Caucus because she is tossing a black representative under the bus while defending a white one. Again....Priceless.
 
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archives said:
Collusion is nearly impossible to prove
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especially when it never happened......

But it isn't' collusion that could bring down the Administration, but rather the cover up
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I'm pretty sure that to prove collusion was covered up you will have to prove collusion.......sort of like Nixon wouldn't have been guilty of covering up Watergate if there had never been a Watergate.........
 
We have some moving of goal posts now. Maybe realization is dawning on our demalquedacrat friend


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archives said:
Mueller is the one deciding that, but I'm betting obstruction will soon become the direction of his investigation
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how will he overcome Comey's sworn testimony before Congress that Trump did not attempt to obstruct his investigation?......so you think that might give rise to reasonable doubt?.....
 
archives said:
Can't say the others were "dry holes," one former campaign manager and assistant campaign manager were indicted, a foreign affairs advisor of the campaign and an inner circle advisor of the campaign pleaded guilty, and the later two are seemingly singing like canaries, wouldn't call that a "dry hole"
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on the other hand, none of it had anything to do with Trump.......so yeah.......dry hole.....
 
Jarod said:
I don’t care if they get them on collusion, obstruction or the Logan act. I would like to see him go down. I’m already very happy with the results, even if nothing else happens. The rest is gravy.
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so now we're at the point we don't want a POTUS to serve out their term.
That's a new low even for 21st century American politics..
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The legal crime would be conspiring with the Russian government, or oligarch-to damage the US electoral system.
If that happened i'd want hiim gone too. But i don't want old business dealing to influence Trump's ability to govern.
He was elected known as having worldwide business ties
 
archives said:
Too difficult, you have to definitively establish proof of quid pro quo, nearly impossible unless both sides confess

Charges of obstruction seem more likely, but I wouldn't be surprise if charges similar to those against Manaford were what they wind up with, which would be bad considering now the figures will be in the President's inner circle, love to see the Income Tax Returns become an issue
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a lucid post. thanks for that. I agree with most of this-especially the corruptive quid pro quo
 
archives said:
Can claim all you want but I'm telling you proving actual collusion is extremely difficult, and as funny as it sounds, I'm mot sure by itself if it is even a crime, is there a law specifically making collusion illegal?
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that would be a conspiracy charge
 
Darth Omar said:
Without a quid pro quo, probably not illegal.

Money changed hands with the Steele Dossier though. Maybe Mueller can find some Russian collusion there.
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that is actually more damaging by bringing the Russians into determining the election.
"Clinton Collusion" - another Ma Clinton legacy. what a skag.
 
archives said:
Can claim all you want but I'm telling you proving actual collusion is extremely difficult, and as funny as it sounds, I'm mot sure by itself if it is even a crime, is there a law specifically making collusion illegal?
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Proving it is tough because Putin murders all of the Russian players. trump wants to do the same, but that's tough to pull off after you've impugned the integrity of your own intelligence agencies.
 
Darth Omar said:
Surely, they can come up with something.

Hate to see all those tax dollars go to waste.
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I bet you hated all those wasted tax dollars that were spent on the Benghazi hearings...and the $150k paid to the staffer who sued the committee.
 
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