Seems we are at a moment of definition for Republicans,

PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....because it expires in ten years and the tax cuts that 50% of Americans would see from 2017 till 2027 would go away......how fucking stupid can lib'ruls be?......



this would be the hole that is one tenth the size of the whole hole Obama blew in the federal deficit........
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What would a good conservative be without his "whataboutism," and now this one is supposedly justifying the nearly two trillion dollar debt this tax proposal is projected to cause by bringing up the Obama deficits that supposedly conservatives hated the last eight year, as I said, redefinition of principles, says a lot
 
anchovies said:
What would a good conservative be without his "whataboutism," and now this one is supposedly justifying the nearly two trillion dollar debt this tax proposal is projected to cause by bringing up the Obama deficits that supposedly conservatives hated the last eight year, as I said, redefinition of principles, says a lot
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"Projected". :rofl2:

Hillary was 'projected' to win.

You never learn, do you, anchovies?
 
God bless America said:
Funny, the Hillary one was made by Jimmy Kimmel's staff, and you didn't criticize it, anchovies.

I think I know why.
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Don't care, you'd have to be a drunk partisan to actually think any video interview of people with staged questions is representative, and, probably cause conservatives can't watch comedians, Jimmy Kimel is a humor show
 
anchovies said:
Don't care, you'd have to be a drunk partisan to actually think any video interview of people with staged questions is representative, and, probably cause conservatives can't watch comedians, Jimmy Kimel is a humor show
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Liberals seemed to love Kimmel as a serious commentator when he squirted anti-Trump and anti-gun tears on camera, anchovies, so there's that.
 
archives said:
Don't care, you'd have to be a drunk partisan to actually think any video interview of people with staged questions is representative, and, probably cause conservatives can't watch comedians, Jimmy Kimel is a humor show
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ignorance IS representative of demmycrats......
 
archives said:
"Three new analysis of the Senate's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act all delivered bad news for Republican leaders."

"The Tax Policy Center found that more than 50% of Americans would see a tax increase in 2027 under the bill."

"Only one out of 42 economists surveyed by the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business said the bill would increase economic growth substantially."

"The Penn-Wharton Budget Model found that the bill would blow a hole in the federal deficit."

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-reform-bill-analysis-reviews-text-2017-11

Are the Republican so desperate for any measure they can claim was an accomplishment that they will actually pass what is not only a mistake but also directly contradicts the economic principles they have been proclaiming for decade?
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They're repaying donors for past service to the party. They'll worry about repercussions later, as they will blame Democrats for refusing to make budget cuts next year. Big donors will be happy to fund propaganda that lays the blame for the deficit at the feet of Democrats.
 
archives said:
Your as naive as emoji, all these films, regardless of slant, interview numerous people and then edit in the responses they want to project
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sure.....they found intelligent lib'ruls........they were in Nirvana having tea with a Mad Hatter and a unicorn......
 
archives said:
"Three new analysis of the Senate's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act all delivered bad news for Republican leaders."

"The Tax Policy Center found that more than 50% of Americans would see a tax increase in 2027 under the bill."

"Only one out of 42 economists surveyed by the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business said the bill would increase economic growth substantially."

"The Penn-Wharton Budget Model found that the bill would blow a hole in the federal deficit."

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-reform-bill-analysis-reviews-text-2017-11

Are the Republican so desperate for any measure they can claim was an accomplishment that they will actually pass what is not only a mistake but also directly contradicts the economic principles they have been proclaiming for decade?
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2027? Ummmm, that's when the tax bill expires. This is satire, yes?
 
cawacko said:
In this case by media I was thinking more what the media says the politicians say. I've read up on the House and Senate proposals, sat through a real estate conference that got into good detail on it and I still don't know most of what's in the proposal. So not to say I should be some barometer because I shouldn't but I know most people haven't read deeply into all that is being proposed. So articles like this don't say much imo.

I know from a real estate perspective people on the commercial side of the industry like it a lot more than those on the residential side. Groups like the National Association of Realtors have a very powerful lobbying arm and they cut across the right and left political spectrum and they aren't happy.
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I don't think many in Congress do either. That's the problem with this process. All people rely on is Republican talking points. There are no specifics, so blaming people for taking a position based on media reports isn't fair to those who condemn the bill.

For instance, I want to know what corporate deductions will be taken away, if they lower the rate to 20%? I also want to know why they don'r reduce corporate rates, commensurate with hiring in this country? There is nothing in a corp. tax cut that guarantees jobs. There is nothing in a corp. tax cut that will stimulate the economy.

For my money....doing this in steps makes the most sense. Slash rates for working families, and watch the economy grow. Worry about the wealthy/Corps. later.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You can explain why we won't see a tax increase then (although it's more like 8 years, not 10)? You do realize that the increases in child care tax credits and the personal exemption are temporary, while the tax cuts for corporations and the other cuts benefitting the wealthy are permanent, right? You do, right?

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/15/5643...x-cuts-temporary-keeps-corporate-cuts-permane
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Because trying to predict what will happen 10 years from now is a fools errand. Oh I am sure that these wizards of smart have all sorts of excel spreadsheets to back up their claims, I am not arguing that.

I am merely stating that no Congress is bound by the laws of a previous Congress. They can change them.

Of course this is what happens when you have a tax code that picks winners and losers and is designed more to benefit certain interest groups as well as attain desired gobblement behaviors.

This is all a side show. You are being played by both sides and you willingly do so.

But, hey you believe it so that’s something
 
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