The Trump Doctrine emerges

Darth Omar

Russian asset
The candidacy and subsequent election of Donald Trump to the presidency caused a great deal of consternation among the U.S. foreign policy establishment, Democrat and Republican alike. His campaign rhetoric suggested that he had no coherent view of U.S. foreign policy, other than the gauzy commitment to “making America great again” and “America first.”

Trump criticized America’s overseas commitments, including the ongoing effort in Afghanistan; called into question the value of NATO; and argued the United States was being undone by its adherence to free trade. On the other hand, his bombastic language suggested he was ready to abandon the constraints on the use of force that traditionally have guided our military efforts. For instance, during the Republican primaries, Trump said that he would “bomb the shit out of ISIS” and supported the use of waterboarding terrorists and targeting their families. His inflammatory campaign rhetoric led many conservative foreign policy specialists to criticize him. At the time, many signed two letters taking him to task (full disclosure: I signed both). Today, many conservative foreign policy professionals remain adamant “NeverTrumpers.”

Even though Trump’s rhetoric often remains undisciplined, his actions as president suggest the emergence of something resembling a doctrine. It is important to note that the “doctrines” associated with presidents in the past—the “Truman Doctrine,” the “Nixon Doctrine,” the “Carter Doctrine,” and the “Reagan Doctrine”—were usually not the result of a coherent plan developed at the outset of a president’s administration but were instead attempts by outsiders to discern a pattern in the actions of a given administration. So it is with any attempt to describe a nascent “Trump Doctrine.”

https://amgreatness.com/2017/11/25/is-there-an-emerging-trump-doctrine2/
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Good article but I didn’t want to paste all of it.

The writer [Mackubin Owens]is a Never Trump-ish foreign policy wonk that contributes to the National Review. He opens by criticizing Trump for his non-coherent foreign policy, but then goes on to negate his own criticism by saying most presidents don’t have a coherent foreign policy at the outset lol.

Trump is different—-because Trump, I suppose.

But nonetheless, Owens does an excellent job of fleshing out the Trump Doctrine in foreign policy.

Here, he totally gets it:
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Pillars of an Emerging Trump Doctrine

The first pillar is a healthy nationalism. This is not the nationalism caricatured by Trump’s critics; it is not a reflection of racism and disdain for foreigners. It is not ethnic or racial nationalism but civic nationalism, better described as patriotism. There is no evidence that President Trump is in any sense a racist; quite the contrary. But there is no question that he is a patriot, one who seriously believes that the purpose of American power is to advance the interests of American citizens.

[Owens gets an A+ for properly describing Trumpist nationalism]

As Walter Russell Mead has observed, nationalism properly understood should not be a dirty word. “A nationalist and patriotic elite produces leaders like George Washington, who aim to promote the well-being of the country they love. An unpatriotic and anti-nationalist elite produces people who feather their nests without regard for the common good.”

A healthy nationalism recognizes that the sole purpose of American power is—or should be—to secure the American Republic and to protect the liberty and facilitate the prosperity of the American people. It is not—or should not be —to create the “global good,” a corporatist globalism divorced from patriotism or national greatness.

The second pillar—and a corollary of the first—is a state-centric view of international politics, one that approaches international institutions and “global governance” with great skepticism. This is what President Trump calls “principled realism,” a term he first used during his May 2017 speech in Saudi Arabia. It is in the interest of the United States to advance U.S. political, military, and economic strength not to impose U.S. will on others but to “secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.” As Henry Nau argues, “the goal [of U.S. foreign policy] is a ‘republican world’ in which free nations live side by side, responsible for their own defenses and economies, and cut deals with other nations, including authoritarian ones, to the extent their interests overlap.”

The Trump doctrine seems to hold that the United States should not cede sovereignty to international institutions in order to be embraced by the mythical “international community” nor should the purpose of U.S. foreign policy be to defend a rule-based liberal international order. Of course, the United States will support international institutions to the extent that they advance U.S. interests. Indeed, the United States led the way in creating the institutions of the post-World War II liberal order, most notably the United Nations and the Bretton Woods system, and then employed its power to underwrite that system. The choice to do so was not motivated by altruism but by the recognition that the freedom, security, and prosperity of the United States are best secured in a world where other states are also secure, free and prosperous.
 
Oh gee something resembling a policy by a sitting POTUS. Imagine that. I don’t know about you but the fact that all his predecessors actually had policies just demonstrates how unprepared Trump is to Govern.
 
outstanding article.. I was wondering when someone would finally look past the rhetoric, to the concepts.

A healthy nationalism recognizes that the sole purpose of American power is—or should be—to secure the American Republic and to protect the liberty and facilitate the prosperity of the American people.
It is not—or should not be —to create the “global good,” a corporatist globalism divorced from patriotism or national greatness.
bingo.

The first pillar is a healthy nationalism. This is not the nationalism caricatured by Trump’s critics; it is not a reflection of racism and disdain for foreigners.
i'm going to read the entire article..but there is is beyond the background noise of fake news and the pundits
 
The Trump doctrine seems to hold that the United States should not cede sovereignty to international institutions in order to be embraced by the mythical “international community” nor should the purpose of U.S. foreign policy be to defend a rule-based liberal international order.
one reason why State is lacking Foreign Service appointees is the diplomatic class cannot get this idea.

"America first" is not about shoring up the international institutions "just because" -in fact just the opposite.
Which doesn't mean we can't provide our role for global security -
but we also have to recognize Russia and China have their roles (spheres of influence) as legitimate also
 
when President Trump went to Warsaw and delivered one of the better speeches of his young presidency, calling on the West “to summon the courage and the will to defend our civilization,” he was roundly criticized.
One commentator called it “an alt-right manifesto.” Another claimed that by referring to “the West” and to “our civilization” Trump was pandering to “white nationalism” because “the West is a racial and religious term.”

Nonsense. The president was defending the West and its virtues—liberty, reason, the rule of law, property, and prosperity.
As Donald Kagan observes, “Americans do not share a common ancestry and a common blood. What they have in common is a system of laws and beliefs that shaped the establishment of the country, a system developed within the context of Western civilization.”

Trump’s approach so far reflects his understanding that a healthy regard for the safety and happiness of American citizens requires that U.S. power remain supreme but that the president of the United States has an obligation to American citizens, not to the welfare of the rest of the world.
 
Oh gee something resembling a policy by a sitting POTUS. Imagine that. I don’t know about you but the fact that all his predecessors actually had policies just demonstrates how unprepared Trump is to Govern.

Even though Trump’s rhetoric often remains undisciplined, his actions as president suggest the emergence of something resembling a doctrine. It is important to note that the “doctrines” associated with presidents in the past—the “Truman Doctrine,” the “Nixon Doctrine,” the “Carter Doctrine,” and the “Reagan Doctrine”—were usually not the result of a coherent plan developed at the outset of a president’s administration but were instead attempts by outsiders to discern a pattern in the actions of a given administration. So it is with any attempt to describe a nascent “Trump Doctrine.”
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Neither Truman, Nixon, Reagan or Carter had coherent doctrines at the outset. Not sure why the writer left Obama out because he didn’t have one either lol.

The writer is interesting because he’s a Never Trumper. National Review has softened their Never Trumpism recently as well.
 
one reason why State is lacking Foreign Service appointees is the diplomatic class cannot get this idea.

"America first" is not about shoring up the international institutions "just because" -in fact just the opposite.
Which doesn't mean we can't provide our role for global security -
but we also have to recognize Russia and China have their roles (spheres of influence) as legitimate also

I think the idea of America First is literally too simple for them lol.

It’s basic common sense: if it doesn’t benefit the country, we don’t do it. It’s why we got out of the Paris Climate accord for example.
 
I think the idea of America First is literally too simple for them lol.

It’s basic common sense: if it doesn’t benefit the country, we don’t do it. It’s why we got out of the Paris Climate accord for example.

Part of America First implies we haven't done that previously. Other than the Paris Climate what have we done as a country to our detrimate that we're not doing now?
 
Darth Omar quotes from article: "An unpatriotic and anti-nationalist elite produces people who feather their nests without regard for the common good."

Quite a huge load of irony here. If you can't see that this is what Trump is all about, along with the 1%ers he's appointed to various government positions, then I guess no amount of discussion will open your eyes.
 
Oh gee something resembling a policy by a sitting POTUS. Imagine that. I don’t know about you but the fact that all his predecessors actually had policies just demonstrates how unprepared Trump is to Govern.

No shite. What's next, will he consider making some appointments?
 
I think the idea of America First is literally too simple for them lol.

It’s basic common sense: if it doesn’t benefit the country, we don’t do it. It’s why we got out of the Paris Climate accord for example.
indeed. stripped down from all the lingo it's a basic concept that US interests,
not global, not international institutions are primary.

If we align up with the UN, like sanctions on Korea-that's great. If not -and lil Kim is an existential threat,
then we;d have to go it alone. No more carrots without results,and kicking the can down the road

We didn't join the TPP because it didn't benefit our trade,no matter how much opening it leaves China
to organize their own sphere. weare not going to join a multilateral trade agreement that takes away sovereignty .

The beauty is in the simplicity of realpolitik being the sole guide to actions-
if we can accomplish more with allies, or tangentials that's even better.
But America's Interest first at all times
 
I think the idea of America First is literally too simple for them lol.

It’s basic common sense: if it doesn’t benefit the country, we don’t do it. It’s why we got out of the Paris Climate accord for example.
I mean seriously do former Bush supporters and Neocons truly understand the scope to which they lack credibility on foreign policy and national defense after the giant cluster fuck they made of the Middle East after the immoral invasion of Iraq?

You say Obama didn’t have a coherent foreign policy? Well to a Neocon conservative incapable of dealing with real world facts or critical thinking skills engagement, diplomacy, containment and a clear and present danger would be as incomprehensible to the far right as calculus to a second grader.

I’m sure “Derkadur! Kill Brown People! Derkadur!” Does seem more coherent to Trump supporters as opposed to policies grounded on being time tested and proven to work.

Sorry you Trump supporters can swagger and beat your chest all you want but until you can come with a foreign policy that is even remotely plausible, let alone comprehensible, don’t be surprised if rational adults don’t take you serious and prevent you from doing stupid shit that will get thousands of innocent people killed and politically destabilize entire regions of the world as you did after 911.
 
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indeed. stripped down from all the lingo it's a basic concept that US interests, not global, not international institutions are what matter.

If we align up wit the UN,like sanctions on Korea-that's great. If not -and lil Kim is an existential threat,then we;d have to go it alone. No more carrots without results,and kicking the can down the road

We didn't join the TPP because it didn't benefit our trade,no matter how much it leaves China to organize their own sphere.

The beauty is in the simplicity of realpolitik being the sole guide to actions-
if we can accomplish more with allies, or tangentials that's even better. But America's Interest first at all times

The simple mindedness of isolationism, given its history, staggers the imagination.
 
^Amazing you completely miss Libya? It was the exact same screw up as Iraq, regime change and all.

Neocons or "neolibs" -getting into war for humanitarian reasons ( or false pretenses) is what permanently screwed up the middle ease.
Libya led to the rise of terrorism that's completely geographically joined across the Maghreb and Sahel
 
The simple mindedness of isolationism, given its history, staggers the imagination.
it's not isolationism..do you see us pulling out of the UN or abandoning security agreement in Asia?
It a calibration based on what's in it for us -and if that means China does what they want to- or Russia-
it means we do not view their advances thru a zero sum prism either.

We work with Vietnam to curb the 10 dash line, but we work with China too for curb N.Korea
because each circumstance advantages us
 
Part of America First implies we haven't done that previously. Other than the Paris Climate what have we done as a country to our detrimate that we're not doing now?
i hate to be repetitive, but Libya was sold as a "humanitarian war".

We took an allie on the war on terror, and killed him solely because we bought into spreading democracy.
That's what Hillary negotiated for with the NTC (Jabril) in Paris. guaranteed democracy.

Iraq was much the same -WMDs were a smokescreen for regime change

I would also argue NATO expansion into parts of eastern Europe and sanctions because of Georgia
did not really advantage the US, and we'd be better off with out much of it
 
Darth Omar quotes from article: "An unpatriotic and anti-nationalist elite produces people who feather their nests without regard for the common good."

Quite a huge load of irony here. If you can't see that this is what Trump is all about, along with the 1%ers he's appointed to various government positions, then I guess no amount of discussion will open your eyes.
Ironic appointments or not..( and Trump would say you appoint successful people to government)....

The quote goes to the internationalists bankers/globalists whos agendas are not "patriotic"
( to use his hackneyed phrase). they serve the international power elites instead

It means economic nationalism is NOT based in racism or hate -it's simply that- economics based.
One makes macroeconomic decisions based on the utility of service to the country's agenda
 
I mean seriously do former Bush supporters and Neocons truly understand the scope to which they lack credibility on foreign policy and national defense after the giant cluster fuck they made of the Middle East after the immoral invasion of Iraq?

You say Obama didn’t have a coherent foreign policy? Well to a Neocon conservative incapable of dealing with real world facts or critical thinking skills engagement, diplomacy, containment and a clear and present danger would be as incomprehensible to the far right as calculus to a second grader.

I’m sure “Derkadur! Kill Brown People! Derkadur!” Does seem more coherent to Trump supporters as opposed to policies grounded on being time tested and proven to work.

Sorry you Trump supporters can swagger and beat your chest all you want but until you can come with a foreign policy that is even remotely plausible, let alone comprehensible, don’t be surprised if rational adults don’t take you serious and prevent you from doing stupid shit that will get thousands of innocent people killed and politically destabilize entire regions of the world as you did after 911.

So you agree that Obama and Clinton fucked up both Iraq and Libya then?
 
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