The Trump Doctrine emerges

cawacko said:
Part of America First implies we haven't done that previously. Other than the Paris Climate what have we done as a country to our detrimate that we're not doing now?
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Pulling out of the Paris Accords was a fairly big deal though.

When it comes down to ‘internationalism’ vs nationalism we go with nationalism. America First is basically nationalism.

When is it a better idea to put other interests ahead of US interests?
 
anatta said:
^Amazing you completely miss Libya? It was the exact same screw up as Iraq, regime change and all.

Neocons or "neolibs" -getting into war for humanitarian reasons ( or false pretenses) is what permanently screwed up the middle ease.
Libya led to the rise of terrorism that's completely geographically joined across the Maghreb and Sahel
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They act like Libya never happened lol.

If Trump is consistent with his Doctrine, the left should be celebrating the fact there will be no more regime change masquerades.

But they can’t. Gotta love blind partisanship.
 
Shape Shifter said:
So you agree that Obama and Clinton fucked up both Iraq and Libya then?
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No. It’s an objective fact that the decision by the George W. Bush administration to invade Iraq was the biggest foreign affairs fuck up in US History since Vietnam and the problems created by that fuck up bedevil is to this day.
 
Darth Omar said:
Pulling out of the Paris Accords was a fairly big deal though.

When it comes down to ‘internationalism’ vs nationalism we go with nationalism. America First is basically nationalism.

When is it a better idea to put other interests ahead of US interests?
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That’s a false assumption on your part.
 
Trump had been taking shit for his incoherence and someone said he needed a doctrine so he finally got around to tasking an underling to fabricate one for him.

Don, you are taking a lot of heat.
Yeah I know what you mean
No, specifically because people think you don't know anything and have no plan.
You got that right.
Well, it's a problem.
What do we do, lie some more.
Well, in a way. You see, leaders with plans often base them in some higher principle... well never mind all that. What you need is a doctrine attached to your name.
Hey, I like the sound of that. Will they buy it?
Well, yes and no, but it will give the base something to say at least when its pointed out that you have no principles or governing philosophy in fact.
OK, what do we call it?
The trump doctrine.
Excellent, then what.
Then nothing, business as usual.
Ah, have you seen my new lob wedge?
 
Darth Omar said:
They act like Libya never happened lol.

If Trump is consistent with his Doctrine, the left should be celebrating the fact there will be no more regime change masquerades.

But they can’t. Gotta love blind partisanship.
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Partisan morons. MOTT should know better
( not calling him a moron).

I've posted maps/explained how Libya is a keystone that connect terrorists across the Maghreb and Sahel to the middle east ( AQIM to LIFG to Sinai Province - to ISIS and AQI).

The Manchester bomber trained in Libya..

They simply cannot accept the fact Obama/Hillary created a terrorists state out of Libya
which was anti-AQ under Qadaffi
 
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