Free college!

Althea said:
NY implemented this in the spring, for all SUNY schools...albeit for those who earn $125k/year or less. There's a stipulation that you must work in the state for a certain number of years after graduation, but I don't see a problem with that. There have always been loan forgiving programs for those who work in depressed areas for 5 years after graduation.
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If it’s making higher education available to more than it’s a sound investment.
 
RB 60 said:
Rest assured, he wasn't a toolmaker unless he spent years learning it. There's quite a difference between a CNC machinist and an experienced toolmaker.



Why are you slobbering on yourself? That was over 15 years ago when that (2 term democrat) governor lied saying gambling proceeds would offset our property taxes and they would go down.
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Oh absolutely. Do you think anyone automatically becomes a master at their trade or profession the moment they graduate?
 
Bigdog said:
You're putting the cart before the horse. Only 4% of students graduating from some of the Free Public high schools in NYC are qualified to even attend college. :palm:

Fix those free public High Schools first before you waste money building new colleges. Otherwise, your idea to send unprepared students to college is just stupid and wasteful.
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ROTFLMA. Technically speaking on average only 15% of high school graduates nationwide are classified as prepared for college yet nearly 40% will attend and over 25% will graduate.

Nor am I speaking of just a liberal arts university education either when I say higher education. There are trade, technical and career educations too.

And yes remedial education and reforms to public primary and secondary education are important too. Secondary education though certainly remaining guided by the liberal arts pedagogy must have career oriented tracks to better prepare students in well paying careers of the current and future markets, whatever those career maybe.

But stopping the bus till everyone is caught up isn’t exactly a smart way to manage that issue.
 
Thing1 said:
The "free stuff" crowd seems mathematically challenged on this.

The #'s are easy. College graduates make over $1 million more over a lifetime than non-college grads. That's a lot of tax revenue.

Free college pays for itself a few times over - and that's not even counting the overall increases in the market & GDP. Don't be pennywise, pound foolish...think progressively.
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Show the numbers. If everyone has a college degree then what is the advantage?

And who pays? The rich?

Why not just institute price controls on colleges?

No college can charge more than $2000 a year. Problem solved
 
The liberal answer to many things that are deemed necessary and expensive is often times price controls. Why don’t we just institute price controls on college education?


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I Love America said:
Show the numbers. If everyone has a college degree then what is the advantage?

And who pays? The rich?

Why not just institute price controls on colleges?

No college can charge more than $2000 a year. Problem solved
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your problem is educated people dont vote for trump
 
Althea said:
Well....what you end up with are nurses that are book smart, who don't operate well under pressure. Passing up nurses with decades of experience, in order to make quotas.
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Very true. In addition, nurses who have the more advanced degrees are prime targets to be wooed away into an office position in case management, utilization review, etc. Who wouldn't want to increase their salary, get weekends off, paid holidays, and day shift hours -- plus not work on your feet for 12 hours? The people with BSNs at my last job before retirement (workers comp company) were making a minimum of $65K/year, some more than that depending on their clinical experience. A couple of them told me that they maxed out at about $50K working on the floor.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Very true. In addition, nurses who have the more advanced degrees are prime targets to be wooed away into an office position in case management, utilization review, etc. Who wouldn't want to increase their salary, get weekends off, paid holidays, and day shift hours -- plus not work on your feet for 12 hours? The people with BSNs at my last job before retirement (workers comp company) were making a minimum of $65K/year, some more than that depending on their clinical experience. A couple of them told me that they maxed out at about $50K working on the floor.
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My GF is always the queen bee no matter where she works. She's seen a lot in her career, starting out at one of the best teaching hospitals in NY. That was many years ago. She wasted about 6 years doing dialysis, which on its face seems like a cake job.

Jiffy Lube, as it were. As it turns out, it's unbearable due to the fact that it's impossible to work your scheduled hours. Patients must get treatment every other day, and they often show up late, or not at all. She was constantly working overtime/16 hr days.

She's back to working the floor at a hospital that has improved the way they treat nurses tenfold in the last decade. Right now she's making about $45/hr plus/minus, with the availability of overtime whenever she chooses.

But...no matter her actual job title, she's always the 'go to' nurse when the shit hits the fan. She's turned down numerous administration offers in the dialysis trade, knowing that she'd be taken advantage of by this fortune 500 company.
 
katzgar said:
your problem is educated people dont vote for trump
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Sure they do. Define educated? If you consider anyone with a high school education "uneducated" you're a snob. It's also a Democrat problem if they only want college educated supporters cause more than half the country isn't college educated. That's not exactly how you win democratic elections...having a majority can be helpful. :)

Dems could of easily won in 2016 but the party hierarchy gave us Hillary and that was a choose your poison "Hobson's" choice. Trump or Hillary? Lots of smart, educated people voted for Trump cause Hillary sucked. So don't tell me only uneducated people supported Trump cause Hillary sucked too.

I'm not giving Dems a pass on just one bad candidate. The second choice was Bernie who is almost as bad as Trump. I still think John Kasich would have stomped Hillary by a landslide in a national election. At least the GOP had an honest process to win the nomination and Trump used it to his fullest advantage. With the Democrats it was essentially decided by the party brass that Hillary would be the Democratic nominee. The irony of this is that it's been Republicans who have had a history of snatching defeat from victory by the party brass deciding a candidate. The last time the Democrats tried that stunt was in 1968 and anyone older than 55 knows what a debacle that was.
 
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