Donna Brazile: Hillary Clinton's takeover of the DNC 'sure looked unethical

Craig234 said:
I'll share my view as a strong Bernie supporter - I called Bernie my 'favorite member of Congress' long before he ran for President, when he was little-known. I strongly supported him in the primary and think he was and is a historically good candidate.

Politics isn't nice. We have massive systemic corruption, which is overwhelmingly Republican. We have large corruption the Democrats are guilty of as well.

The 'good' politicians are now all in the Democratic Party - a large minority. There's a reason Bernie co-founded the progressive caucus in the party; and a reason he still runs as an independent.

There are realities in politics because the Republicans, by putting radicals on the courts, have been so successful in changing the rules to allow unlimited money to buy our elections.

Democrats are somewhat torn between trying to compete with Republicans by raising enough money to do so while also being the alternative to that corruption. It's not easy to do both, and they do some of each.

The Democratic Party voters had a chance to do a great thing this election by picking Bernie. They didn't quite do that.

So that left us with a choice. Bernie third party was a terrible idea - splitting the vote and guaranteeing a Republican win.

So it was Hillary or trump, and that is no contest, as Bernie said.

I could list hundreds of ways Hillary is better than trump and which were important reasons to pick her over trump - and Bernie agreed she was far better.

So, anger? Mostly at the 'real problems' - the race we're on to plutocracy, driven by the Republicans, the massive challenges as they are positioned to keep us getting more and more plutocratic.

I can criticize plenty about Hillary, as I did during the primary asking people to support Bernie. But her ambition, her slipperiness, her flaws, her bad alliances, her coziness with powerful interests, those are not the real problems.

And her gaming the system by controlling the DNC that just got exposed is not the real problem. I said during the primary the patriotic thing for her to do would be withdraw and let Bernie be nominated. Her supporters didn't like hearing that.

She didn't. I didn't like things about her then and I don't like things about her in these revelations.

But there are bigger issues and I don't change my position of supporting her strongly over trump because he's still a thousand times worse.

I want a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party, so a Hillary can't be nominated, replacing the compromised corporatists.

But I recognize we have a lot to do about all this - history shows progressives can lose horribly against the wealthy of the powerful interests even if they are nominated. The people are badly divided over secondary issues.

So as much as I'm for getting the money out of politics - I'm for a Democrat winning with that money over a Republican winning with it, as an interim step and compromise that can be needed.

Being overly 'purist' about this plays into the hands of the Republicans who will demonize any Democrat over any flaw while ignoring how the alternative is far worse.

Maybe this helps explain why Bernie supporters don't seem more angry - though the ones who refused to vote for Hillary will consider this validation, which it's not.

It's bad, and we need to remember the Republicans are FAR worse. We need bigger solutions than to just criticize Hillary.
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This is a nice thought out post and I can agree with a lot of this on principle because the real struggle is corruption as a standard bearer of how to be and sadly Republicans have been more than willing to allow that, means justify the ends. I honestly think the GOP thought that if they did this enough, once they had control it would naturally lead to their higher natures, what they did not expect was Trump. Both parties are private groups, they can do things that are not about the principles of the constitution or fair play and they excel at that. It's the one thing I learned from the Primaries, also as a strong Bernie supporter.
 
crowonapost said:
This is a nice thought out post and I can agree with a lot of this on principle because the real struggle is corruption as a standard bearer of how to be and sadly Republicans have been more than willing to allow that, means justify the ends. I honestly think the GOP thought that if they did this enough, once they had control it would naturally lead to their higher natures, what they did not expect was Trump. Both parties are private groups, they can do things that are not about the principles of the constitution or fair play and they excel at that. It's the one thing I learned from the Primaries, also as a strong Bernie supporter.
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Thanks. I'd suggest that I agree with you that trump was a surprise - but that they don't really care. Grover Norquist really laid it out when he said that they do not want a president with a 'vision' or an 'agenda' - the plutocrats have those covered. All they want is a president with a hand that is able to sign the bills they give him to sign. In that sense, all that matters about trump to them is that he enables their plutocratic agenda. That's it. And he is doing that. The issues are a lot bigger than Hillary or trump.
 
God bless America said:
If they were wise, would they be DEMS?
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Here's the thing if one were wise would you be aligned with ANY party?
Let me be clear both are wrong. Both are owned by big, centralized private money. Our political system has two private clubs with a stronghold on the states, you know, the United States. The United states are not so United, they have been accosted by Big. Private money. That is the problem. 'Libertarian' Billionaires. They will tell you, you too can be just like them while buying YOUR representation to insure you can't. That's the part I am disturbed by, I am disturbed that you fail to get it. I hope you can, it would be better and would do a lot to forward your life and mine, that's MY progressive perception.

Finally we have no choice at this time but to deal with one of two binary mentalities. I get you are on one blind way of being on a side, I wish you weren't, You got fight, just the fight is not centered on, U.S. The part missing in A. ALL. The principle of this nation is ALL people striving to better for themselves without previous cultural conditions, THAT is what makes our shared idea of U.S. of A., great. If one misses that, one misses this profound human historical experiment.

Your bad, not mine.
 
Craig234 said:
Thanks. I'd suggest that I agree with you that trump was a surprise - but that they don't really care. Grover Norquist really laid it out when he said that they do not want a president with a 'vision' or an 'agenda' - the plutocrats have those covered. All they want is a president with a hand that is able to sign the bills they give him to sign. In that sense, all that matters about trump to them is that he enables their plutocratic agenda. That's it. And he is doing that. The issues are a lot bigger than Hillary or trump.
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Sadly I know. The Plutocrats did not care who won. Thy would play any side. I knew before the primary results and called it with my wife, that they would be happy either way with establishment politicians. The one they all were concerned about was Sanders.
It is. He was the most dangerous. What COULD be dangerous is if the ones' between could come together. That would be the REAL revolution and I mean that REGARDLESS of party. It's as old as the industrial revolution.
 
crowonapost said:
Sadly I know. The Plutocrats did not care who won. Thy would play any side. I knew before the primary results and called it with my wife, that they would be happy either way with establishment politicians. The one they all were concerned about was Sanders.
It is. He was the most dangerous. What COULD be dangerous is if the ones' between could come together. That would be the REAL revolution and I mean that REGARDLESS of party. It's as old as the industrial revolution.
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Bernie was the 'save the country' candidate and the only one.
 
Craig, you don't have to worry. Noooooooobody is going anywhere near Hillary. They are moving on, which is a good thing. So start shopping around now, checking out pols you might want to support. That's America. Four or 8 years of one Party, then it switches to the other Party. So, we all get to experience the joy AND the pain of our election outcomes during our lifetime.
 
Craig234 said:
I'll share my view as a strong Bernie supporter - I called Bernie my 'favorite member of Congress' long before he ran for President, when he was little-known. I strongly supported him in the primary and think he was and is a historically good candidate.

Politics isn't nice. We have massive systemic corruption, which is overwhelmingly Republican. We have large corruption the Democrats are guilty of as well.

The 'good' politicians are now all in the Democratic Party - a large minority. There's a reason Bernie co-founded the progressive caucus in the party; and a reason he still runs as an independent.

There are realities in politics because the Republicans, by putting radicals on the courts, have been so successful in changing the rules to allow unlimited money to buy our elections.

Democrats are somewhat torn between trying to compete with Republicans by raising enough money to do so while also being the alternative to that corruption. It's not easy to do both, and they do some of each.

The Democratic Party voters had a chance to do a great thing this election by picking Bernie. They didn't quite do that.

So that left us with a choice. Bernie third party was a terrible idea - splitting the vote and guaranteeing a Republican win.

So it was Hillary or trump, and that is no contest, as Bernie said.

I could list hundreds of ways Hillary is better than trump and which were important reasons to pick her over trump - and Bernie agreed she was far better.

So, anger? Mostly at the 'real problems' - the race we're on to plutocracy, driven by the Republicans, the massive challenges as they are positioned to keep us getting more and more plutocratic.

I can criticize plenty about Hillary, as I did during the primary asking people to support Bernie. But her ambition, her slipperiness, her flaws, her bad alliances, her coziness with powerful interests, those are not the real problems.

And her gaming the system by controlling the DNC that just got exposed is not the real problem. I said during the primary the patriotic thing for her to do would be withdraw and let Bernie be nominated. Her supporters didn't like hearing that.

She didn't. I didn't like things about her then and I don't like things about her in these revelations.

But there are bigger issues and I don't change my position of supporting her strongly over trump because he's still a thousand times worse.

I want a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party, so a Hillary can't be nominated, replacing the compromised corporatists.

But I recognize we have a lot to do about all this - history shows progressives can lose horribly against the wealthy of the powerful interests even if they are nominated. The people are badly divided over secondary issues.

So as much as I'm for getting the money out of politics - I'm for a Democrat winning with that money over a Republican winning with it, as an interim step and compromise that can be needed.

Being overly 'purist' about this plays into the hands of the Republicans who will demonize any Democrat over any flaw while ignoring how the alternative is far worse.

Maybe this helps explain why Bernie supporters don't seem more angry - though the ones who refused to vote for Hillary will consider this validation, which it's not.

It's bad, and we need to remember the Republicans are FAR worse. We need bigger solutions than to just criticize Hillary.
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good stuff here friend


I didnt support bernie bacause he didnt believe in the democratic platform.


he refused to ever become one


He also was TIED to the label socialism by his OWN DOING


he could have NEVER won the presidency in this nation with that lable strapped to him


Oh and BTY part of his attraction was the LIES his voters believed about hilary via the russian fake news.

Bernie knew much of this shit was lies.


yet he never told his voters they were lies.


why?


hilary did nithing illeagal


she bailed out a BROKE DNC


she got money to then satates to elect dems all over the country.


before she made that move ( which was perfectly legal ) sthe party had no money.

No money means no Dems elected
 
God bless America said:
Don't kid yourself. Hillary isn't dead yet, and her loyalists are legion.
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yes lots of people


we are a democracy


never forget that


she wont run again


she will advocate for the democratic party and help it raise money for more wins


LEGALLY



will berinie raise money for a democratic party he refuses to join?
 
Hilary will raise money for the democratic party the rest of her life


bernie will not


he is not a democratic party member
 
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anatta said:
The Dems should purge her. Quit defending her
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Warren and Brazile are a start. I think her continued attempt, successful so far, to stay in the spotlight will encourage more dims to join #STFUHillary. Her continued insistence to try and take up all the oxygen only hurts dims and they're finally beginning to acknowledge it.
 
aloysious said:
Warren and Brazile are a start. I think her continued attempt, successful so far, to stay in the spotlight will encourage more dims to join #STFUHillary. Her continued insistence to try and take up all the oxygen only hurts dims and they're finally beginning to acknowledge it.
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Pocahontas and Brazile were complicit in Hillary's cheating when it mattered.

DEMOCRATS are scum who will do and say anything to get power.
 
evince said:
most Americans are NOT HAPPY where this country is going dude.


its about the American people not your racists gutter dwelling butt monkeys
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Unlike under the nigger Obama where the majority of people believed that their children would be worse off than them, today the majority of people feel that the American dream is once again achievable.
 
Craig234 said:
I'll share my view as a strong Bernie supporter - I called Bernie my 'favorite member of Congress' long before he ran for President, when he was little-known. I strongly supported him in the primary and think he was and is a historically good candidate.

Politics isn't nice. We have massive systemic corruption, which is overwhelmingly Republican. We have large corruption the Democrats are guilty of as well.

The 'good' politicians are now all in the Democratic Party - a large minority. There's a reason Bernie co-founded the progressive caucus in the party; and a reason he still runs as an independent.

There are realities in politics because the Republicans, by putting radicals on the courts, have been so successful in changing the rules to allow unlimited money to buy our elections.

Democrats are somewhat torn between trying to compete with Republicans by raising enough money to do so while also being the alternative to that corruption. It's not easy to do both, and they do some of each.

The Democratic Party voters had a chance to do a great thing this election by picking Bernie. They didn't quite do that.

So that left us with a choice. Bernie third party was a terrible idea - splitting the vote and guaranteeing a Republican win.

So it was Hillary or trump, and that is no contest, as Bernie said.

I could list hundreds of ways Hillary is better than trump and which were important reasons to pick her over trump - and Bernie agreed she was far better.

So, anger? Mostly at the 'real problems' - the race we're on to plutocracy, driven by the Republicans, the massive challenges as they are positioned to keep us getting more and more plutocratic.

I can criticize plenty about Hillary, as I did during the primary asking people to support Bernie. But her ambition, her slipperiness, her flaws, her bad alliances, her coziness with powerful interests, those are not the real problems.

And her gaming the system by controlling the DNC that just got exposed is not the real problem. I said during the primary the patriotic thing for her to do would be withdraw and let Bernie be nominated. Her supporters didn't like hearing that.

She didn't. I didn't like things about her then and I don't like things about her in these revelations.

But there are bigger issues and I don't change my position of supporting her strongly over trump because he's still a thousand times worse.

I want a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party, so a Hillary can't be nominated, replacing the compromised corporatists.

But I recognize we have a lot to do about all this - history shows progressives can lose horribly against the wealthy of the powerful interests even if they are nominated. The people are badly divided over secondary issues.

So as much as I'm for getting the money out of politics - I'm for a Democrat winning with that money over a Republican winning with it, as an interim step and compromise that can be needed.

Being overly 'purist' about this plays into the hands of the Republicans who will demonize any Democrat over any flaw while ignoring how the alternative is far worse.

Maybe this helps explain why Bernie supporters don't seem more angry - though the ones who refused to vote for Hillary will consider this validation, which it's not.

It's bad, and we need to remember the Republicans are FAR worse. We need bigger solutions than to just criticize Hillary.
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Hey, I'll give you credit for this response. A number of people on this board said they supported Bernie but none came close to giving this type of defense for him.

While well intentioned getting money out of politics is a pipe dream. We can look at NCAA basketball and football and the various ways money ultimately gets to the players and their families even though it is illegal. And even though people get caught from time to time there is too much money at stake for people to stay away. Politics isn't any different.
 
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