Donna Brazile: Hillary Clinton's takeover of the DNC 'sure looked unethical

And, now Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren is jumping the Clinton ship...agrees "it was rigged" LOL
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Stretch said:
Yep, been reading more of Brazille's release. Hilary was in charge of evvvverrrything.......corruption beyond the pale. Shaking my dang head:palm:
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I can't keep up with the Hillary corruption stories. Uranium one has quid pro quos written all over it.

Then the Steele dossier - Hillary paid for salacious PissGate. and todays story about desperate Obama sneaking around Congressional oversight

This on top of her crappy performance as Sec of state. Dems would be wise to purge her
 
noise said:
I can't keep up with the Hillary corruption stories. Uranium one has quid pro quos written all over it.

Then the Steele dossier - Hillary paid for salacious PissGate. and todays story about desperate Obama sneaking around Congressional oversight

This on top of her crappy performance as Sec of state. Dems would be wise to purge her
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If they were wise, would they be DEMS?
 
Stretch said:
There are a lot of moderate Dems out there who do deserve proper representation. Those would be the wise ones.
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I disagree, Ms. Stretch.

BTW, has anyone heard how dirty Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is doing?

The DEMOCRAT-infested media isn't reporting on the the bribery and corruption that her IT aide Imran Awan is on trial for.

Wanna guess why?

Bonus - he also did work for Congresswoman Cowgirl. :D

Extra bonus: he was admitted to the USA under the same lottery vis program that let the NYC truck terrorist in.



 
God bless America said:
I disagree, Ms. Stretch.

BTW, has anyone heard how dirty Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is doing?

The DEMOCRAT-infested media isn't reporting on the the bribery and corruption that her IT aide Imran Awan is on trial for.

Wanna guess why?

Bonus - he also did work for Congresswoman Cowgirl. :D

Extra bonus: he was admitted to the USA under the same lottery vis program that let the NYC truck terrorist in.



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Haven't heard or read anything on Schultz lately.

But, about the Dem Party. I think level-headed Dems and Reps deserve a 'swamp-free' government. I don't appreciate alt right hateful supremacists and a lot of Dems want no part of alt left stuff either. I'm just saying...:)
 
Stretch said:
Haven't heard or read anything on Schultz lately.
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Exactly, and you should have, but the DEMOCRAT-infested media doesn't cover her scandals, do they?

Stretch said:
But, about the Dem Party. I think level-headed Dems and Reps deserve a 'swamp-free' government. I don't appreciate alt right hateful supremacists and a lot of Dems want no part of alt left stuff either. I'm just saying...:)
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The difference is that conservatives call out, condemn and repudiate white supremacy and rayciss all the time.

When did you last see a JPP DEMOCRAT call out another lefty, Ms. Stretch?

Buckly? Watermark? Desh? Not a single DEMOCRAT will condemn their hate speech.

DEMOCRATS who desire decency can no longer be DEMOCRATS, or they are complicit in DEMOCRAT degeneracy.
 
Stretch said:
Yep, been reading more of Brazille's release. Hilary was in charge of evvvverrrything.......corruption beyond the pale. Shaking my dang head:palm:
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She professes not to know where the $12 million dollars that the DNC paid Fusion GPS came from.

Now we know she was in charge of the finances at the DNC. If she didn't know, how can anyone claim she was qualified to be president? If she did know, it proves that she is a liar - again.

Have you noticed the desperate DEMOCRAT efforts to pretend that "Hillary doesn't matter anymore" while they swarm to her defense like files covering a slimy, smelly turd?
 
God bless America said:
Exactly, and you should have, but the DEMOCRAT-infested media doesn't cover her scandals, do they?



The difference is that conservatives call out, condemn and repudiate white supremacy and rayciss all the time.

When did you last see a JPP DEMOCRAT call out another lefty, Ms. Stretch?

Buckly? Watermark? Desh? Not a single DEMOCRAT will condemn their hate speech.

DEMOCRATS who desire decency can no longer be DEMOCRATS, or they are complicit in DEMOCRAT degeneracy.
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I understand. IMO, It's just the extreme alt left and alt right who never ever seem to acknowledge faults within their own Parties.
 
I Love America said:
One wonders what this revelation by Brazile will do to the Bernie Bots. They were told that they were crazy and that there was no way the DNC colluded to keep Bernie from the nomination, but now their beliefs have been validated.


Additionally, many JPP libs claim to have been Bernie supporters in the primary, yet you don't see much anger on their part. It makes one wonder if they were true Bernie supporters or not
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I'll share my view as a strong Bernie supporter - I called Bernie my 'favorite member of Congress' long before he ran for President, when he was little-known. I strongly supported him in the primary and think he was and is a historically good candidate.

Politics isn't nice. We have massive systemic corruption, which is overwhelmingly Republican. We have large corruption the Democrats are guilty of as well.

The 'good' politicians are now all in the Democratic Party - a large minority. There's a reason Bernie co-founded the progressive caucus in the party; and a reason he still runs as an independent.

There are realities in politics because the Republicans, by putting radicals on the courts, have been so successful in changing the rules to allow unlimited money to buy our elections.

Democrats are somewhat torn between trying to compete with Republicans by raising enough money to do so while also being the alternative to that corruption. It's not easy to do both, and they do some of each.

The Democratic Party voters had a chance to do a great thing this election by picking Bernie. They didn't quite do that.

So that left us with a choice. Bernie third party was a terrible idea - splitting the vote and guaranteeing a Republican win.

So it was Hillary or trump, and that is no contest, as Bernie said.

I could list hundreds of ways Hillary is better than trump and which were important reasons to pick her over trump - and Bernie agreed she was far better.

So, anger? Mostly at the 'real problems' - the race we're on to plutocracy, driven by the Republicans, the massive challenges as they are positioned to keep us getting more and more plutocratic.

I can criticize plenty about Hillary, as I did during the primary asking people to support Bernie. But her ambition, her slipperiness, her flaws, her bad alliances, her coziness with powerful interests, those are not the real problems.

And her gaming the system by controlling the DNC that just got exposed is not the real problem. I said during the primary the patriotic thing for her to do would be withdraw and let Bernie be nominated. Her supporters didn't like hearing that.

She didn't. I didn't like things about her then and I don't like things about her in these revelations.

But there are bigger issues and I don't change my position of supporting her strongly over trump because he's still a thousand times worse.

I want a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party, so a Hillary can't be nominated, replacing the compromised corporatists.

But I recognize we have a lot to do about all this - history shows progressives can lose horribly against the wealthy of the powerful interests even if they are nominated. The people are badly divided over secondary issues.

So as much as I'm for getting the money out of politics - I'm for a Democrat winning with that money over a Republican winning with it, as an interim step and compromise that can be needed.

Being overly 'purist' about this plays into the hands of the Republicans who will demonize any Democrat over any flaw while ignoring how the alternative is far worse.

Maybe this helps explain why Bernie supporters don't seem more angry - though the ones who refused to vote for Hillary will consider this validation, which it's not.

It's bad, and we need to remember the Republicans are FAR worse. We need bigger solutions than to just criticize Hillary.
 
Stretch said:
But, about the Dem Party. I think level-headed Dems and Reps deserve a 'swamp-free' government.
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Of course we do, but it's naive to ask for that when the powerful interests are so massively powerful - with the Supreme Court protecting their corrupting our elections. It's like asking for better quality TV without changing the system that gave us this TV culture.

To get rid of the swamp, we need to have Americans stop listening to the propaganda of the swamp media (right-wing media - and to a point the corporate media).

We need to tax the rich and corporations more, so that they have less of the wealth with which to buy the elections.

We need to regain the power of the people to limit money in our elections. We need to stop electing utterly corrupt Republicans and to elect progressive Democrats instead of corporatist Democrats. We need a lot to get rid of the swamp.

Look, at the height of progressive power - FDR's fourth election - 'the swamp' was still able to drive his VP off the ticket, to replace him with business-friendly Harry Truman. Progressive McGovern lost 49 states to Nixon. These things are not easy.
 
noise said:
next time you Dems want to rail against Trump, remember the reason he's there is that Corrupt Clinton hijacked the nomination -Bernie had better poll numbers against Trump,and Bernie had the enthusiasm for turnout Clinton did not
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I know. I read that article tonight and it both reinforced what many of us knew & depressed me a bit. Those with clear eyes KNEW Clinton owned the DNC and We DAMN. WELL. KNEW. Trump was a Grifter conman. Without question the moves Obama made by not paying what was owed, playing the 'it's your turn game and the DNC in general not getting the ground swell of what was behind Sanders, something different, something authentic, something that was a generational shift was destroyed from the beginning by the hubris of Hillary buying the DNC cuz', her fucking turn. It was disgusting, disturbing and left the door open for outside actors to play on the whole GOP created Clinton fatigue from the 90's and the Troll baiting mentality of our now Con man in chief. A man that put his base under the bus, put our system of government under the bus and fulfilled 30 years of smash mouth politics built out of resentment that Bill Clinton, who 'stopped', sorry paused the Reagan revolution, cuz' democrat. It's been a LOOONG spiral of distraction and Hillary Clinton, an insider socially liberal, fiscally wallstreet politician thought she could continue to play the blue dog middle way of 'neo-liberal politics for the bullshit win. The problem with Hllary, is she was the Democrats version of entitled establishment, who thought she 'deserved' to win the DNC & the magical ride to the white house. And she and the DNC got schooled. Problem is the DNC dumb asses still don't get WHY. Maybe, MAYBE this will be a bit of a wake up call.

Doubt it. These idiots allow 'Grifter n' Chief to distract too much their narrative. We NEED more people who focus on the core issues like Sanders was modeling. That is what we need to unite us as a people. Who that will be, eludes me. I truly do not look to the DNC to be THAT path at this time, especially since last week they were purging those in the party that where Bernie supporters. For all things 'abosfucking' stupid about the GOP and the Great Orange one, the DNC is a quieter version of the same ass-hattery that has NOTHING to do with where we as a people are today.
 
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