Debunking yet another right-wing lie

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Craig234

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Nearly everything the right says is a lie in some way. But let's take one they've been repeating for nearly a decade.

It's the Pelosi 'you can't know what's in it' lie, which I just saw repeated in a right-winger's copied cartoon in their sig.

What happened: When Democrats were trying to pass the ACA to get more Americans healthcare - and they ended up getting 20 million more covered, and better care for millions more - Republicans who were FIGHTING healthcare for Americans to protect the profits for the insurance industry but even more to simply deny Democrats any 'win', were telling all kinds of wild lies about the ACA to try to lie to Republican voters to get their support in opposing the bill.

Pelosi, frustrated with how the right-wing media and leaders were misleading so many voters, finally said that once the bill is actually the law, the voters will see what it really does, and how different that is from the Republicans' lies about it.

That's it. And Republicans have spent nearly a decade lying about THAT as well and portraying it as Democrats trying to misrepresent the bill, when the whole incident was about THEIR lying about it.

We could do this all say but I'm picking one.

Next up we could discuss the Republicans' lying about what Obama said about 'you didn't build that', meaning the country's infrastructure, which they lied meant the businesses people built - a lie they made the 2012 GOP convention theme.
 
Craig234 said:
Nearly everything the right says is a lie in some way. But let's take one they've been repeating for nearly a decade.

It's the Pelosi 'you can't know what's in it' lie, which I just saw repeated in a right-winger's copied cartoon in their sig.

What happened: When Democrats were trying to pass the ACA to get more Americans healthcare - and they ended up getting 20 million more covered, and better care for millions more - Republicans who were FIGHTING healthcare for Americans to protect the profits for the insurance industry but even more to simply deny Democrats any 'win', were telling all kinds of wild lies about the ACA to try to lie to Republican voters to get their support in opposing the bill.

Pelosi, frustrated with how the right-wing media and leaders were misleading so many voters, finally said that once the bill is actually the law, the voters will see what it really does, and how different that is from the Republicans' lies about it.

That's it. And Republicans have spent nearly a decade lying about THAT as well and portraying it as Democrats trying to misrepresent the bill, when the whole incident was about THEIR lying about it.

We could do this all say but I'm picking one.

Next up we could discuss the Republicans' lying about what Obama said about 'you didn't build that', meaning the country's infrastructure, which they lied meant the businesses people built - a lie they made the 2012 GOP convention theme.
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1) It is not a lie. She specifically stated those words.
2) Context is important... in the original speech in full, she was not clear what she meant by that.
3) She later clarified what she meant.

So no, it is not a lie to state that she said it. There is video evidence of her saying just that.

That said, it is not shocking that soundbites are taken and used out of context by a political party. How long did we hear about Palin saying she could see Russia from her house by Dems?

yeah, both parties do this. Doesn't make it right. But your calling people liars for saying she stated those words is also... a LIE.
 
Craig234 said:
Nearly everything the right says is a lie in some way. But let's take one they've been repeating for nearly a decade.

It's the Pelosi 'you can't know what's in it' lie, which I just saw repeated in a right-winger's copied cartoon in their sig.

What happened: When Democrats were trying to pass the ACA to get more Americans healthcare - and they ended up getting 20 million more covered, and better care for millions more - Republicans who were FIGHTING healthcare for Americans to protect the profits for the insurance industry but even more to simply deny Democrats any 'win', were telling all kinds of wild lies about the ACA to try to lie to Republican voters to get their support in opposing the bill.

Pelosi, frustrated with how the right-wing media and leaders were misleading so many voters, finally said that once the bill is actually the law, the voters will see what it really does, and how different that is from the Republicans' lies about it.

That's it. And Republicans have spent nearly a decade lying about THAT as well and portraying it as Democrats trying to misrepresent the bill, when the whole incident was about THEIR lying about it.

We could do this all say but I'm picking one.

Next up we could discuss the Republicans' lying about what Obama said about 'you didn't build that', meaning the country's infrastructure, which they lied meant the businesses people built - a lie they made the 2012 GOP convention theme.
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Lying faggot and I quote:

You've heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don't know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it's about diet, not diabetes. It's going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

You supported stealing my healthcare coverage and forcing me to purchase healthcare I can't afford to use in order to subsidize yours, die slow and screaming mother fucker.
 
Craig234 said:
Nearly everything the right says is a lie in some way. But let's take one they've been repeating for nearly a decade.

It's the Pelosi 'you can't know what's in it' lie, which I just saw repeated in a right-winger's copied cartoon in their sig.

What happened: When Democrats were trying to pass the ACA to get more Americans healthcare - and they ended up getting 20 million more covered, and better care for millions more - Republicans who were FIGHTING healthcare for Americans to protect the profits for the insurance industry but even more to simply deny Democrats any 'win', were telling all kinds of wild lies about the ACA to try to lie to Republican voters to get their support in opposing the bill.

Pelosi, frustrated with how the right-wing media and leaders were misleading so many voters, finally said that once the bill is actually the law, the voters will see what it really does, and how different that is from the Republicans' lies about it.

That's it. And Republicans have spent nearly a decade lying about THAT as well and portraying it as Democrats trying to misrepresent the bill, when the whole incident was about THEIR lying about it.

We could do this all say but I'm picking one.

Next up we could discuss the Republicans' lying about what Obama said about 'you didn't build that', meaning the country's infrastructure, which they lied meant the businesses people built - a lie they made the 2012 GOP convention theme.
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Republicans are WELL KNOWN for taking snippets of conversation out of context and twisting them around to mean something other than what they originally meant.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Republicans are WELL KNOWN for taking snippets of conversation out of context and twisting them around to mean something other than what they originally meant.
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Show me the context which changes the meaning of the following:

You've heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don't know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it's about diet, not diabetes. It's going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.
 
Superfreak said:
1) It is not a lie. She specifically stated those words.
2) Context is important... in the original speech in full, she was not clear what she meant by that.
3) She later clarified what she meant.

So no, it is not a lie to state that she said it. There is video evidence of her saying just that.

That said, it is not shocking that soundbites are taken and used out of context by a political party. How long did we hear about Palin saying she could see Russia from her house by Dems?

yeah, both parties do this. Doesn't make it right. But your calling people liars for saying she stated those words is also... a LIE.
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He's only calling those who willfully took her words out of context and misrepresent what she meant, liars.
 
Craig234 said:
Nearly everything the right says is a lie in some way. But let's take one they've been repeating for nearly a decade.

It's the Pelosi 'you can't know what's in it' lie, which I just saw repeated in a right-winger's copied cartoon in their sig.

What happened: When Democrats were trying to pass the ACA to get more Americans healthcare - and they ended up getting 20 million more covered, and better care for millions more - Republicans who were FIGHTING healthcare for Americans to protect the profits for the insurance industry but even more to simply deny Democrats any 'win', were telling all kinds of wild lies about the ACA to try to lie to Republican voters to get their support in opposing the bill.

Pelosi, frustrated with how the right-wing media and leaders were misleading so many voters, finally said that once the bill is actually the law, the voters will see what it really does, and how different that is from the Republicans' lies about it.

That's it. And Republicans have spent nearly a decade lying about THAT as well and portraying it as Democrats trying to misrepresent the bill, when the whole incident was about THEIR lying about it.

We could do this all say but I'm picking one.

Next up we could discuss the Republicans' lying about what Obama said about 'you didn't build that', meaning the country's infrastructure, which they lied meant the businesses people built - a lie they made the 2012 GOP convention theme.
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Another dumbass that's willing to accept anything a piece of shit on the left tells him.

What you need to do is pull your nose out of Obama's asshole so someone else as stupid as you can stick his/hers in. Based on what I've read on this forum, there is a long line waiting to do so. Pucker up.
 
Even better was the conservative constant use of Clinton's supposed "what difference does it make" comment to imply her whole attitude toward the Benghazi attack.
In proper context, and with out the conservative paraphrasing, the statement makes sense It was a response given after five minutes of Senator Johnson's attempts to hammer her into stating exactly what she believed was the cause of the event;

"With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."
 
archives said:
Even better was the conservative constant use of Clinton's supposed "what difference does it make" comment to imply her whole attitude toward the Benghazi attack.
In proper context, and with out the conservative paraphrasing, the statement makes sense It was a response given after five minutes of Senator Johnson's attempts to hammer her into stating exactly what she believed was the cause of the event;

"With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."
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Keep puckering. You must have had enough of the black asshole so now you go to the old pussy.
 
CFM said:
Keep puckering. You must have had enough of the black asshole so now you go to the old pussy.
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Thanks, usually one would have to hang around a bowling alley six or seven hours to gain the "unique" insight one like yourself offers
 
archives said:
Even better was the conservative constant use of Clinton's supposed "what difference does it make" comment to imply her whole attitude toward the Benghazi attack.
In proper context, and with out the conservative paraphrasing, the statement makes sense It was a response given after five minutes of Senator Johnson's attempts to hammer her into stating exactly what she believed was the cause of the event;

"With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."
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perfect example of a statement which should be tattooed on her face so no one ever forgets......was it a protest or guys out for a walk or (as we now know and she knew two hours after the attack) was it Muslim terrorists engaged in a planned attack......should it make a difference that she lied to us?......of course it should.....
 
ZappasGuitar said:
He's only calling those who willfully took her words out of context and misrepresent what she meant, liars.
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Again... it began when she stated those words. So saying that she said them is not lying. Given that she had to go back and clarify later, it still isn't lying to say that she said it.
 
Pelosi did in fact say what she said.....to criticize her for saying it is to place it in the context proper for her.....ridicule......
 
Superfreak said:
1) It is not a lie. She specifically stated those words.
2) Context is important... in the original speech in full, she was not clear what she meant by that.
3) She later clarified what she meant.

So no, it is not a lie to state that she said it. There is video evidence of her saying just that.

That said, it is not shocking that soundbites are taken and used out of context by a political party. How long did we hear about Palin saying she could see Russia from her house by Dems?

yeah, both parties do this. Doesn't make it right. But your calling people liars for saying she stated those words is also... a LIE.
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Your point 1 and 2 contradict each other. It IS a lie, because they lied about the meaning of what she said.

What she said was that the people confused by the Republican lies would see the truth when the bill was actually passed. What Republicans lied was that she said the bill's contents were secret until it was passed.

Palin was CORRECTLY ridiculed for her citing what she could see as her main foreign policy qualification. She is an utter ignorant dingbat, and she was criticized correctly for being one.

No, you can't have a 'both parties do this' false equivalency. I'm sure Democrats have done it on occasion, but to a far smaller degree, without a massive national media machine to repeat the lies. They didn't make a lie about a quote THEIR convention theme.

The truth: she was saying Republicans lied a lot about what was in the bill, confusing many voters. The Republican lie: that she hid the contents of the bill from voters.
 
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