"10/19: President Trump Legacy May Be as One of the Worst U.S. Presidents"

Thing1 said:
Somewhat inconsistent w/ the money that big business spends in DC to thwart regulation.

Regulation doesn't have to be incompatible w/ economic growth, and deregulating for the sake of deregulating is simply irresponsible. There are studies that show that at least when it comes to jobs, most environmental regulation simply doesn't have as much of an impact as the right claims. It generally can create nearly as many jobs as it costs.

I don't like to speak cavalierly about jobs - any job lost is an extreme negative, imo. But we have to look out for future generations, as well. Responsible planning & policy implementation can be good for economic growth AND protecting the environment.

I know I'm A#1 Trump hater on here, so this probably doesn't mean much from me, but Trump absolutely 100% does not care about protecting the environment. It's too cerebral for him, and too far-reaching. It doesn't have the satisfying immediate impact that he craves.
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Jobs are created and lost all the time. That's capitalism. I lost my job last week. Was working at a real estate fintech start up and we didn't get our Series B round of funding. I went into the job eyes wide open knowing the risks/rewards of a start up. They laid off our entire sales and marketing team. It happens. Quite often.

Do you have examples of deregulating for the sake of deregulating? Desh uses that term but never provided any examples.
 
cawacko said:
Jobs are created and lost all the time. That's capitalism. I lost my job last week. Was working at a real estate fintech start up and we didn't get our Series B round of funding. I went into the job eyes wide open knowing the risks/rewards of a start up. They laid off our entire sales and marketing team. It happens. Quite often.

Do you have examples of deregulating for the sake of deregulating? Desh uses that term but never provided any examples.
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Genuinely sorry to hear about the job. I've been part of my share of layoffs & surprise announcements, and those are bad days.

I think Trump's entire environmental policy so far has been deregulating for the sake of deregulating - or, for him, rolling back as much of what Obama did as possible. Which is consistent w/ his main focus so far - just eliminating as much of what Obama did as he can get away with.

There are loads of lists out on google of everything Trump rolled back and dismantled w/ regard to the environment in his 1st 100 days and thus far in his admin. It's been done fairly quietly but the impact is hard to overstate - just a complete reversal on a lot of protections. It's hard to describe it as anything but indiscriminate; no broad reasoning has been given, no studies or research on the impact, no outline of cost/benefit.

One of his 1st actions was repealing a rule that required energy companies to disclose payments to foreign countries. That's not saving any jobs. It just opens the door for corruption. That's deregulating for the sake of deregulating.

Companies can now dump more waste into our waterways, use more pesticides & generally be more indiscriminate about polluting the air and soil. Most of that was done in the 1st 100 days. Is it plausible that Trump or his staff dedicated time during the campaign to do long-term impact studies or cost/benefit on any of that? We'd have to spend more time on it and really fine-tooth comb it, but to me it's fairly clear that Trump just thinks regulation is bad (and a hallmark of Obama), so he's agin it.
 
Thing1 said:
Genuinely sorry to hear about the job. I've been part of my share of layoffs & surprise announcements, and those are bad days.

I think Trump's entire environmental policy so far has been deregulating for the sake of deregulating - or, for him, rolling back as much of what Obama did as possible. Which is consistent w/ his main focus so far - just eliminating as much of what Obama did as he can get away with.

There are loads of lists out on google of everything Trump rolled back and dismantled w/ regard to the environment in his 1st 100 days and thus far in his admin. It's been done fairly quietly but the impact is hard to overstate - just a complete reversal on a lot of protections. It's hard to describe it as anything but indiscriminate; no broad reasoning has been given, no studies or research on the impact, no outline of cost/benefit.

One of his 1st actions was repealing a rule that required energy companies to disclose payments to foreign countries. That's not saving any jobs. It just opens the door for corruption. That's deregulating for the sake of deregulating.

Companies can now dump more waste into our waterways, use more pesticides & generally be more indiscriminate about polluting the air and soil. Most of that was done in the 1st 100 days. Is it plausible that Trump or his staff dedicated time during the campaign to do long-term impact studies or cost/benefit on any of that? We'd have to spend more time on it and really fine-tooth comb it, but to me it's fairly clear that Trump just thinks regulation is bad (and a hallmark of Obama), so he's agin it.
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Thanks but it's all good. We all have that dream out here of working for the next Facebook, Google, Apple etc. I had a choice between an old larger company or a start up and although it didn't work out it was worth the experience.
 
There will be green jobs as green tech becomes more and more affordable/mass marketable.

You can't force markets like Solyndra, nor should you price out coal with expensive regulations.
I as a consumer have to pay the bill when you do.

Cool thing about reducing regulation overload is business will naturally chase those opportunities
and fulfill needs with jobs.

That's how free markets should work ,not centralized bureaucracies like the TPP that manipulate otherwise free markets
 
cawacko said:
Thanks but it's all good. We all have that dream out here of working for the next Facebook, Google, Apple etc. I had a choice between an old larger company or a start up and although it didn't work out it was worth the experience.
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Good to hear, and that's a decision some of my friends have made over the years (and one of them worked at a start up that was acquired by Oracle, and he's now wealthy). It's good to be bold.
 
cawacko said:
Jobs are created and lost all the time. That's capitalism. I lost my job last week. Was working at a real estate fintech start up and we didn't get our Series B round of funding. I went into the job eyes wide open knowing the risks/rewards of a start up. They laid off our entire sales and marketing team. It happens. Quite often.

Do you have examples of deregulating for the sake of deregulating? Desh uses that term but never provided any examples.
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Sorry to hear about the job
 
anatta said:
Obama gets credit for job growth, but this strangling regulations kept us at 2% GDP or less for 8 years.
Plus he added $10Trillion to the debt!

Trump deregulates,and we hit 3% -the stock market is on fire.

If we get tax reform our economy gets red, red hot.

Obama also let ISIS metastasize into the caliphate -he refused to hit their convoys in open desert
It was a turkey shoot -but he refused to acknowledge the threat- dismissing them as "JV"

we just liberated Raqqa WAY AHEAD of schedule.
1 reason is Trump gave field commanders "battlefield autonomy" instead of clearing advances with WH lawyers
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He'll deny it happened lol.
 
Darth Omar said:
ISIS is on the run ✅
Dow hits 23K ✅
Largest deregulation in 40 years ✅
Constitutionalists taking over the courts ✅
Economy booming ✅
#MAGA
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Weather getting hotter? Sun coming up every morning? You seem, like the fartman himself, to believe Trump is God
 
archives said:
"Americans have low expectations for the administration of President Donald Trump. In fact, few U.S. residents think President Trump’s tenure will be remembered as a positive one. Nearly six in ten Americans, 58%, believe Mr. Trump will be remembered as either one of the worst presidents in the nation’s history'

"Among those who supported Trump in the 2016 presidential election, 50% think his legacy will be at least above average. Fewer Tea Party supporters, 46%, or those who identify as conservative or very conservative, 41%, think President Trump’s tenure will be remembered as above average"

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/1019-president-trump-legacy-may-be-as-one-of-the-worst-u-s-presidents/

Well, it hasn't even been a year yet, but if things continue the way they have the first ten months, and there is no reason to think they won't, he's in Warren Harding company

Just for a comparison,

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...resident-historians-new-c-span-poll/98149240/
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...rvey-of-greatest-US-presidents/7821487369055/
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149
http://time.com/4674300/cspan-presidents-rank-2017/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
http://www.newsweek.com/cspan-presidential-survey-rankings-obama-557957
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Good lord he’s only been President for nine months. None of his executive actions of consequence have survived the courts and he’s had no legislative accomplishments and he’s wasted virtually all his political capital. Not impressive and he’s said a lot of stupid shit yet he’s not really done any harm. He certainly hasn’t pushed through legislation or made executive decision with serious detrimental consequences as Bush did. So far he’s been a divisive mediocrity but it’s only been nine months. Time will tell but it’s simply too soon to tell.

If Trump does manage to follow through on his populist economic agenda, for example, and makes life better for working class Americans he could be a significant President.

I doubt that will happen and if he continues as he has he won’t be considered either good or bad but a mediocrity much like Carter .
 
I honestly don’t think being considered a bad President would bother Trump. I think he’s certainly concerned about having a historical legacy. Good or bad he would be remembered as historically significant and remembered. The worst thing that could happen to Trump is to be written off as a historical mediocrity and relegated to the dustbin of history and forgotten.
 
anatta said:
There will be green jobs as green tech becomes more and more affordable/mass marketable.

You can't force markets like Solyndra, nor should you price out coal with expensive regulations.
I as a consumer have to pay the bill when you do.

Cool thing about reducing regulation overload is business will naturally chase those opportunities
and fulfill needs with jobs.

That's how free markets should work ,not centralized bureaucracies like the TPP that manipulate otherwise free markets
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There are no free markets you ignorant fucktard.
 
cawacko said:
Jobs are created and lost all the time. That's capitalism. I lost my job last week. Was working at a real estate fintech start up and we didn't get our Series B round of funding. I went into the job eyes wide open knowing the risks/rewards of a start up. They laid off our entire sales and marketing team. It happens. Quite often.

Do you have examples of deregulating for the sake of deregulating? Desh uses that term but never provided any examples.
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:( Sorry to hear about this, cawacko.
 
Thing1 said:
ISIS was on the run under Obama
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No they weren't, under Obama they were allowed to establish a caliphate the size of Texas and murdered millions, tell us what major city was liberated from their Caliphate under Obama?

the DOW tripled under Obama, and unemployment was back within 1% of full employment.
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lmfao the economy didn't get back to pre-recession levels until his last year in office and 95 million people dropped out of the labor force.
 
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