"10/19: President Trump Legacy May Be as One of the Worst U.S. Presidents"

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"Americans have low expectations for the administration of President Donald Trump. In fact, few U.S. residents think President Trump’s tenure will be remembered as a positive one. Nearly six in ten Americans, 58%, believe Mr. Trump will be remembered as either one of the worst presidents in the nation’s history'

"Among those who supported Trump in the 2016 presidential election, 50% think his legacy will be at least above average. Fewer Tea Party supporters, 46%, or those who identify as conservative or very conservative, 41%, think President Trump’s tenure will be remembered as above average"

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/1019-president-trump-legacy-may-be-as-one-of-the-worst-u-s-presidents/

Well, it hasn't even been a year yet, but if things continue the way they have the first ten months, and there is no reason to think they won't, he's in Warren Harding company

Just for a comparison,

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...resident-historians-new-c-span-poll/98149240/
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...rvey-of-greatest-US-presidents/7821487369055/
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149
http://time.com/4674300/cspan-presidents-rank-2017/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
http://www.newsweek.com/cspan-presidential-survey-rankings-obama-557957

 

[Irish]

You're quoting a date?

 

[Darth Omar]

ISIS is on the run
Dow hits 23K
Largest deregulation in 40 years
Constitutionalists taking over the courts
Economy booming
#MAGA

 

[archives]

You're quoting a date?

Ah, the date the data was collected, duh

 

[archives]

ISIS is on the run
Dow hits 23K
Largest deregulation in 40 years
Constitutionalists taking over the courts
Economy booming
#MAGA

All of which other than the "deregulation," which is more like ending protectionism, and the Court thing, which your also over exaggerated, 329 were appointed and approved under Obama, were left to this Administration by the prior Administration, it goes on their record not this one

 

[Darth Omar]

All of which other than the "deregulation," which is more like ending protectionism, and the Court thing, which your also over exaggerated, 329 were appointed and approved under Obama, were left to this Administration by the prior Administration, it goes on their record not this one

Trump could walk on water and you'd accuse of not being able to swim lol.

It's ok, I understand.

 

[cawacko]

All of which other than the "deregulation," which is more like ending protectionism, and the Court thing, which your also over exaggerated, 329 were appointed and approved under Obama, were left to this Administration by the prior Administration, it goes on their record not this one

What is the last part of your sentence even saying?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

ISIS is on the run
Dow hits 23K
Largest deregulation in 40 years
Constitutionalists taking over the courts
Economy booming
#MAGA

ISIS was on the run under Obama (over 40% of their territory lost), the DOW tripled under Obama, and unemployment was back within 1% of full employment.

You didn't seem as excited about those things then.

 

[Phantasmal]

ISIS was on the run under Obama (over 40% of their territory lost), the DOW tripled under Obama, and unemployment was back within 1% of full employment.

You didn't seem as excited about those things then.

He denies it happened.

 

[archives]

What is the last part of your sentence even saying?

That the fading of ISIS, the rising Stock Market, and improving economy were all inherited from the last Adminstration, otherwise it would be like attributing American victory in WWII to President Truman

 

[Cypress]

ISIS was on the run under Obama (over 40% of their territory lost), the DOW tripled under Obama, and unemployment was back within 1% of full employment.

You didn't seem as excited about those things then.

You beat me to it, that's exactly what I was thinking. Things are so bad for the Orange Fat Ass that his worshippers are trying to piggy back on the progress Obama made.

The thing that is extraordinary to me is how can one major political party nominate and elect people like George Dumbya Bush and Donald J. Drumpf? I mean, how is it that one political party can worship and nominate two of the absolute worst presidents this great nation has every had in 230 years? Back to freaking back?? Can Republicans simply not recognize gross incompetence and utter lack of ability?

I could understand one epic blunder in a century. But two fuck ups of this magnitude in one decade?

 

[cawacko]

That the fading of ISIS, the rising Stock Market, and improving economy were all inherited from the last Adminstration, otherwise it would be like attributing American victory in WWII to President Truman

That's what you were talking about when you mentioned 329 people appointed and approved? I'll be honest, I never would have guessed that

 

[cawacko]

Is there not a touch of irony to see (certain) liberals celebrating the rise of the stock market? On their own they take more the Bernie Sanders view towards business and the economy and that Wall St is all crooks. They aren't fans of the stock buybacks and ways that firms can lay off large numbers of people and see their shares rise.

Something is off

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

You beat me to it, that's exactly what I was thinking. Things are so bad for the Orange Fat Ass that his worshippers are trying to piggy back on the progress Obama made.

The thing that is extraordinary to me is how can one major political party nominate and elect people like George Dumbya Bush and Donald J. Drumpf? I mean, how is it that one political party can worship and nominate two of the absolute worst presidents this great nation has every had in 230 years? Back to freaking back?? Can Republicans simply not recognize gross incompetence and utter lack of ability?

I could understand one epic blunder in a century. But two fuck ups of this magnitude in one decade?

It's really not talked about enough. Bush was a real low point for the GOP. Every party has 'em. But the expectation is that you come back strong from a fiasco like that, and do better w/ your next chance.

It won't get worse than this in our lifetimes. A lot of righties are still riding that giddiness of "making liberals mad," but there will be some intense soul-searching once the spell wears off, for all but the most koolaid-drenched.

 

[anatta]

ISIS was on the run under Obama (over 40% of their territory lost), the DOW tripled under Obama, and unemployment was back within 1% of full employment.

You didn't seem as excited about those things then.

Obama gets credit for job growth, but this strangling regulations kept us at 2% GDP or less for 8 years.
Plus he added $10Trillion to the debt!

Trump deregulates,and we hit 3% -the stock market is on fire.

If we get tax reform our economy gets red, red hot.

Obama also let ISIS metastasize into the caliphate -he refused to hit their convoys in open desert
It was a turkey shoot -but he refused to acknowledge the threat- dismissing them as "JV"

we just liberated Raqqa WAY AHEAD of schedule.
1 reason is Trump gave field commanders "battlefield autonomy" instead of clearing advances with WH lawyers

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Obama gets credit for job growth, but this strangling regulations kept us at 2% GDP or less for 8 years.
Plus he added $10Trillion to the debt!

Trump deregulates,and we hit 3% -the stock market is on fire.

If we get tax reform our economy gets red, red hot.

Obama also let ISIS metastasize into the caliphate -he refused to hit their convoys in open desert
It was a turkey shoot -but he refused to acknowledge the threat- dismissing them as "JV"

we just liberated Raqqa WAY AHEAD of schedule.
1 reason is Trump gave field commanders "battlefield autonomy" instead of clearing advances with WH lawyers

Yeah - deregulation has never backfired or anything.

Great call.

 

[anatta]

Yeah - deregulation has never backfired or anything.

Great call.

WOTUS was insane. So were the air quality levels for ozone.
The EPA became a legislative body..
forget all that - look for a sane path to protect the enviornment without strangling growth

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

WOTUS was insane. So were the air quality levels for ozone.
The EPA became a legislative body..
forget all that - look for a sane path to protect the enviornment without strangling growth

I guess we differ on "sane." Less regulation and even more pollution seems loopy to me.

But who cares. We won't have to worry about the worst of it.

 

[cawacko]

I guess we differ on "sane." Less regulation and even more pollution seems loopy to me.

But who cares. We won't have to worry about the worst of it.

Who generally benefits the most from new big regulations? Big companies that can afford to comply with them. Who does it hurt the most? Small companies who can't. Where are the most jobs created? By small business. So we are choking off growth by over regulating our economy.

(and before Desh chimes in with her usual strawman this is not saying we need zero regulation)

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Who generally benefits the most from new big regulations? Big companies that can afford to comply with them. Who does it hurt the most? Small companies who can't. Where are the most jobs created? By small business. So we are choking off growth by over regulating our economy.

(and before Desh chimes in with her usual strawman this is not saying we need zero regulation)

Somewhat inconsistent w/ the money that big business spends in DC to thwart regulation.

Regulation doesn't have to be incompatible w/ economic growth, and deregulating for the sake of deregulating is simply irresponsible. There are studies that show that at least when it comes to jobs, most environmental regulation simply doesn't have as much of an impact as the right claims. It generally can create nearly as many jobs as it costs.

I don't like to speak cavalierly about jobs - any job lost is an extreme negative, imo. But we have to look out for future generations, as well. Responsible planning & policy implementation can be good for economic growth AND protecting the environment.

I know I'm A#1 Trump hater on here, so this probably doesn't mean much from me, but Trump absolutely 100% does not care about protecting the environment. It's too cerebral for him, and too far-reaching. It doesn't have the satisfying immediate impact that he craves.