The world needs to move on from American leadership.

SmarterthanYou said:
again, why do you serfs think that totally free has to be anarchy? WHY???? do you have that little confidence in your own self control?
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All you have to do is show me an example of a lawless society, or a lawless period in world history, that has worked. Go ahead.
 
Godless America said:
I haven't encountered anyone capable of that so far.
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Are you kidding? You're one of the worst debaters on these forums, and that's saying something. You block people out of fear of getting your ass handed to you within the first couple posts. You're not fooling anyone.
 
Amadoofus said:
Are you kidding? You're one of the worst debaters on these forums, and that's saying something. You block people out of fear of getting your ass handed to you within the first couple posts. You're not fooling anyone.
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Cite the posts that prove your boasts.

I'll understand if you can't.
 
Godless America said:
Cite the posts that prove your boasts.

I'll understand if you can't.
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What posts are you referring to? You can see in this very thread that you have zero debating skills. You came out of the gate with total fumble by saying that I get my political world view from fiction. Which is not true, and simply shows that you cannot debate the topic or the poster.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and all you have to do is show me where I advocated for a lawless society. go ahead
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Make a fucking point, then. I said that society requires laws, and have to give up certain freedoms to live in functioning society, and you said, 'WHAT? The serfs need laws to behave themselves? Whattt?'

I'm not pulling your point from you by force. Either make it or don't.
 
Amadoofus said:
What posts are you referring to? You can see in this very thread that you have zero debating skills. You came out of the gate with total fumble by saying that I get my political world view from fiction. Which is not true, and simply shows that you cannot debate the topic or the poster.
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Says who, Canadian? You?

You seem fond of false premises. Is that because you get your worldview from fictional media?

:rofl2:
 
Godless America said:
Says who, Canadian? You?

You seem fond of false premises. Is that because you get your worldview from fictional media?

:rofl2:
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False premises are your bread and butter, so you'd think you'd be able to spot them better. Apparently you can't. Have you addressed the actual topic yet? We're four pages in and I'm waiting for an on-topic response from you. Lets see what you have, besides calling me a Canadian and referencing that I consume fiction (like most humans). If this is your best, I'd hate to see your worst.
 
Amadoofus said:
By the way, look around around. It's already happening. Trump basically today that regard to the Iran Deal, it's his way or the highway. Either side with him or else. Well, the world has overwhelmingly sided with Iran on the agreement and whether or not they are in compliance. The USA stands alone, and basically on their own. They have ceded leverage.
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You must not have seen this. It's not from a fictional TV miniseries or comic book, so...:rofl2:

Israel, Saudi Arabia United in Praise of Trump Iran Strategy





Saudi Arabia and Israel, two nations that rarely agree, both lauded President Trump’s decision to decertify the Iranian nuclear deal and pursue a more aggressive strategy against Tehran.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the move in a video statement (above), according to The Jerusalem Post:

“President Trump has just created an opportunity to fix this bad deal. To roll back Iran’s aggression and to confront its criminal support of terrorism,” Netanyahu continued.

“That’s why Israel embraces this opportunity. And that’s why every responsible government, and any person concerned with the peace and security of the world, should do so as well,” he stressed.

Netanyahu said that Trump “boldly confronted Iran’s terrorist regime,” while warning that Iran could develop a nuclear weapon under the guidelines of the deal.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia, a Muslim-majority nation that often finds itself on the opposite end of historic religious conflicts from Israel in the Middle East, also welcomed the president’s announcement, per Bloomberg:

The kingdom, Iran’s chief rival in the Middle East, praised the president for his “vision” and commitment to working with allies in the region to confront Iran’s actions, according to a statement carried by the official Saudi Press Agency.

Sunni-led Saudi Arabia had supported the 2015 nuclear agreement reached between Iran and world powers, including the U.S. In its statement, the kingdom said Iran has used the financial gains from the accord “to destabilize the region, especially through developing a ballistic missile program.”


http://ntknetwork.com/israel-saudi-arabia-united-in-praise-of-trump-iran-strategy/
 
Amadeus said:
Sorry, America. The world is breaking up with you. And the problem is you, not us
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How is it not you? Even when you aren't generating world wars, most of the world is utterly dysfunctional. At least as a Canadian, you aren't stuck in the mess that is the EU.
 
Amadeus said:
The one thing Trump has taught the world is that America can no longer be trusted or counted on to lead responsibly. The world order -- and there should be a world order --cannot be led disproportionately by any one nation. The United Nations should be strengthened and retooled, and America's monetary contribution should be lessened along with their dominance. As a Canadian, I'd push my government to by-pass America as much as possible while retaining a friendly relationship as a trading partner. When NAFTA falls apart, and it probably will, simply offer America the same deal as NAFTA. And if they don't take it, offer a sweeter deal to Europe and Asia. That nuclear shield is nice and fine in theory, but with a madman like Trump threatening to press the button on an almost-daily basis, while wiping his ass with trade-deals and international agreements, Canada would be better off without it. Peace through strength is only as good as the partner wielding that strength, and it will never again have the same weight as it did under previous administrations.

Sorry, America. The world is breaking up with you. And the problem is you, not us.
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Amadeus, you're such a child, ... throwing a temper tantrum because Americans don't embrace your socialist authoritarian world view.

Let me guess, you want one of the all White Aryan Nations to be the leader of your new world order.

If the U.N. is so precious to you, have them move to Canada. What's stopping you? Maybe you need to spend more time on the Canadian political boards.
 
Yaya said:
So basically Amadamnus wants Russia to be the new world leader.

Liberals are beyond stupid.
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who knows..the sane position is multi-polarism. Respect Russia's spheres of influence and prosecute ours.

The problem is we are hip-deep in NATO expansion,and NATO redundant weaponization.

(Just how many tank battalions in Poland is enough already??)

Obama started this shit with his "European Reassurance Initiative" and it's just gotten worse under Trump
as Trump is following the same path, despite his campaign promise to seek reconcilliation w/Russia.

All of which the Deep State laps us, and Congress gyrates to..ie classic "Russiaphobia"

So despite the claims that Trump is dissing NATO..it's not true.
We preserve the world order. not China or Russia. the OP is bogus.
 
Amadeus said:
Make a fucking point, then. I said that society requires laws, and have to give up certain freedoms to live in functioning society, and you said, 'WHAT? The serfs need laws to behave themselves? Whattt?'

I'm not pulling your point from you by force. Either make it or don't.
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