The world needs to move on from American leadership.

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Amadeus

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The one thing Trump has taught the world is that America can no longer be trusted or counted on to lead responsibly. The world order -- and there should be a world order --cannot be led disproportionately by any one nation. The United Nations should be strengthened and retooled, and America's monetary contribution should be lessened along with their dominance. As a Canadian, I'd push my government to by-pass America as much as possible while retaining a friendly relationship as a trading partner. When NAFTA falls apart, and it probably will, simply offer America the same deal as NAFTA. And if they don't take it, offer a sweeter deal to Europe and Asia. That nuclear shield is nice and fine in theory, but with a madman like Trump threatening to press the button on an almost-daily basis, while wiping his ass with trade-deals and international agreements, Canada would be better off without it. Peace through strength is only as good as the partner wielding that strength, and it will never again have the same weight as it did under previous administrations.

Sorry, America. The world is breaking up with you. And the problem is you, not us.

 
Godless America said:
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Fun fact: the Canadian Amadoofus gets his political worldview from TV miniseries and comic books.
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Trump wanted to pull back America from its role, it's influence, and its responsibilities. America First, remember?

I didn't learn that from Game of Thrones or comic books. I've been paying attention, have you?
 
Amadoofus said:
Trump wanted to pull back America from its role, it's influence, and its responsibilities. America First, remember? I didn't learn that from Game of Thrones or comic books. I've been paying attention, have you?
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So you say, Canadian.

How am I supposed to know where you get your "ideas", unless you admit it?


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so instead of a group of national elitists who rule as your superiors, you want a world wide conglomerate of oligarchs who look at you as a child needing direction and discipline?
 
Amadeus said:
Nope, not at all. And lets be clear, America currently is the child.
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i'll admit that American currently has a shitload of adult aged children in it......most of them calling for new world order, but what I would like to read from you is why you feel a world wide conglomerate of oligarchs to direct and discipline the people of the world is your desire.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
i'll admit that American currently has a shitload of adult aged children in it......most of them calling for new world order, but what I would like to read from you is why you feel a world wide conglomerate of oligarchs to direct and discipline the people of the world is your desire.
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Oligarchs? Funny, when I see Trump -- beyond seeing him as a child -- all I see are the oligarchs. Not American oligarchs, mind you.
 
Amadoofus said:
You want to make this about me, and not America the world? Seems like you're not up to the challenge of the discussion. I will note this.
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Note what you like, Canadian.

Maybe you can find a clip from Game of Thrones or a page from a comic book that you think supports "your" ideas.


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Amadeus said:
Oligarchs? Funny, when I see Trump -- beyond seeing him as a child -- all I see are the oligarchs. Not American oligarchs, mind you.
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and all I see are Oligarchs. trump, clinton, bush, cheney, ryan, mcconnel, feinstein, boxer........they all look at us as dumbass kids who need to be taken care of. and that's just America, need I name off the rest of the worlds leaders?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and all I see are Oligarchs. trump, clinton, bush, cheney, ryan, mcconnel, feinstein, boxer........they all look at us as dumbass kids who need to be taken care of. and that's just America, need I name off the rest of the worlds leaders?
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If you think the world would be better of with order and leadership. Well, that's a position, I guess.
 
By the way, look around around. It's already happening. Trump basically today that regard to the Iran Deal, it's his way or the highway. Either side with him or else. Well, the world has overwhelmingly sided with Iran on the agreement and whether or not they are in compliance. The USA stands alone, and basically on their own. They have ceded leverage.
 
Amadeus said:
If you think the world would be better of with order and leadership. Well, that's a position, I guess.
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order is fine, as long as it's not at the expense of individual freedom, but leadership? are you that directionless and incapable of logic and reasoning that you need to elect someone to do it for you?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
order is fine, as long as it's not at the expense of individual freedom, but leadership? are you that directionless and incapable of logic and reasoning that you need to elect someone to do it for you?
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If you want total freedom, there's probably a patch of land you can buy in Afganistan. If you want to live in a society, you give up freedoms. Those are the breaks, and that will always be the case.
 
Amadeus said:
The one thing Trump has taught the world is that America can no longer be trusted or counted on to lead responsibly. The world order -- and there should be a world order --cannot be led disproportionately by any one nation. The United Nations should be strengthened and retooled, and America's monetary contribution should be lessened along with their dominance. As a Canadian, I'd push my government to by-pass America as much as possible while retaining a friendly relationship as a trading partner. When NAFTA falls apart, and it probably will, simply offer America the same deal as NAFTA. And if they don't take it, offer a sweeter deal to Europe and Asia. That nuclear shield is nice and fine in theory, but with a madman like Trump threatening to press the button on an almost-daily basis, while wiping his ass with trade-deals and international agreements, Canada would be better off without it. Peace through strength is only as good as the partner wielding that strength, and it will never again have the same weight as it did under previous administrations.

Sorry, America. The world is breaking up with you. And the problem is you, not us.

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LOL. You sterile dumbfucks wouldn't last five minutes without the US. Terrorists would be on you like stink on camel shit.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
order is fine, as long as it's not at the expense of individual freedom, but leadership? are you that directionless and incapable of logic and reasoning that you need to elect someone to do it for you?
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Why not? This Canadian buffoon freely admits that he gets his worldview for TV miniseries and comics books. :rofl2:
 
Granule said:
LOL. You sterile dumbfucks wouldn't last five minutes without the US. Terrorists would be on you like stink on camel shit.
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They already are.



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