Trump is being counciled by the likes of John Bolton on Iran. You can't say you hate neocons and then side with John Bolton.
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Trump is being counciled by the likes of John Bolton on Iran. You can't say you hate neocons and then side with John Bolton.
Iran was on the verge of democracy just before America installed the Shah, whose brutality and corruption directly led to the Iranian Revolution. Pretty much all history books agree.
Sorry, NL, you don't set the parameters. Typical Obama supporter claiming anything the boy did was great for reasons that no longer need be explained. Pucker up.
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It's really hard to argue with a die hard liberal, they keep throwing out words like ideology, and neocon, and phrases like American controlled dictator,
as if everything is about conspiracy and rage against the other side.
Instead of common sense you tell me your view I'll tell you mine.
On this very OP, should the conversation not be simply that diplomacy hasn't worked for decades, sanctions havn't worked. Nor will either, ever work.
So braeak it down to, what's left?
Answer is 2 possibilities.
1. NK and Iran get nukes
2. NK and Iran don't get Nukes
which world do you want to live in. NK has already proved they have launch capabilities, they have the weapon, do you not think Iran has both also, but just not parading it out there?
So what do we do, wait until they launch? that's irresponsible, dangerous, pussy-like.
We owe it to our children and our very existence to exercise the might at our disposal, and rid the threat.
as if everything is about conspiracy and rage against the other side.
Instead of common sense you tell me your view I'll tell you mine.
On this very OP, should the conversation not be simply that diplomacy hasn't worked for decades, sanctions havn't worked. Nor will either, ever work.
So braeak it down to, what's left?
Answer is 2 possibilities.
1. NK and Iran get nukes
2. NK and Iran don't get Nukes
which world do you want to live in. NK has already proved they have launch capabilities, they have the weapon, do you not think Iran has both also, but just not parading it out there?
So what do we do, wait until they launch? that's irresponsible, dangerous, pussy-like.
We owe it to our children and our very existence to exercise the might at our disposal, and rid the threat.
History books or history? There is a difference.
History books say Lincoln freed the slaves with the Emancipation Proclamation. That isn't true.
are you talking about the White Revolution? Honestly my knowledge of Iran pre 1953 is sketchy at best.
I do know Iranian petro-relations with the west were a driving force that installed the Shah -whether that would have changed or not without our efforts is unclear at best. ( don't forget Britain s role)
You're not sorry for being slow. It's the best your kind can do, BOY. You were born stupid and nothing can cure that.
I'm talking about the 1953 coup in which the democratically elected leader of Iran was overthrown by the CIA and the Shah was installed to serve American interests.
wel li think that was all about oil from the west's perspective. I'd have to reseach further about Iranian internals
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Well if it was about oil then it was perfectly okay. Sorry I brought it up. Oh wait, you did. When you referenced the Iranian Revolution, which was the direct result of the Shah and the shitting on the Middle East's chance at democracy. Meanwhile, there's Saudi Arabia, the fetid armpit of the Islam, and Iran's still a superior democracy and still a better partner for America for non-neocons.
Tell the forum how well-educated you are, Canadian.
Well, at least you hold me to a high standard. Which means that I've achieved a higher status than the president in your mind. I'm very honored.
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I hold all who post here to the same standards, Canadian. Trump doesn't post here as far as I know.
If he did, you'd have a point.
Since he doesn't, you don't.
I'm amused that you think that you are being "honored" by having your obvious ignorance made a mockery of, Canadian.
Very telling.
oil is realpolitik. it's not Ok or not OK -it is what it is.
I suggest you look at how a nationalist revolution was hijacked by Khomeini
http://oicw65-racerelations.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-irans-1979-revolution-was-hijacked.html
When he returned to Iran from exile in Paris, he set up a secular provisional government in Tehran that was headed by Mehdi Barzagan, a liberal and a democrat. A constitutional convention was convened to sort out what permanent shape Iran's new government would take, and among those participating in that fundamental exercise were communists, socialists, democrats and plenty of other nationalists who did not pray five times a day for religious rule.
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This debate over which to "partner" with is a dead letter. There can be no partnering with Iran.
Iran has made that clear with it's geopolitical alliances,and regional hegemony
I'm glad you think that being a poster on this racist-filled forum is a more lofty position than being president. It explains a LOT about you and your ilk.
Remember, no challenge is to great if you aim low.
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If I'd said that "poster on this racist-filled forum is a more lofty position than being president" you'd have a point, Canadian.
Since I did not, you don't.
The point is, quite clearly, that being a poster on this forum requires better spelling and word-play than being POTUS. You can't avoid this, and that you don't want to walk through the door you opened is irrelevant. You're being thrown through it.