And? I never said they were angels, but Saudi Arabia is a far worse choice -- and I'd choose Iran in a heartbeat over Saudi Arabia, if I had to pick a side.
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And? I never said they were angels, but Saudi Arabia is a far worse choice -- and I'd choose Iran in a heartbeat over Saudi Arabia, if I had to pick a side.
well you can't. Iran and SA are both fundamentalist regimes. SA gov't does not fund terrorism-Iran is a state sponcer..
Iran is firmly in the Russian geo-political sphere - it hates us , and will never work with us.
how many countries have "death to America" day?
SA is battling al-Qaida in it's east and Iran's proxies on it's southern border.
Both SA and Egypt have put together a "Sunni coalition".. Like it or not our lot is with SA
LMAO!
So you say, but all religious extremism within Islam ultimately comes from SA ideology and their 'compromise' with the Wahhbis sect (allowing them to preach their hatred and terrorism within SA, right in the heart of Mecca).
In a democratic election, the people of Iran choose the moderate over the choice of the Supreme Leader. *shrugs*
Ask an Iranian prior to Trump if they liked Americans. Most would say yes.
How often until the nuclear deal did Israel threaten to bomb Iran? Daily? Pretty damned often.
I'll take a Shiite radical and over a Wahhabi radical any day of the week. Shiites fight out largely geo-political concerns, not out of a core and unshakable religious belief to form an purely-evil caliphate (very much unlike the caliphate of the Ottoman Empire).
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Trump supporters say they reject the neo-conservative blunders of the past, then they nut-suck at the bag of John Bolton. Can't say you are not consistent at being inconsistent. It's almost enough to make me forget that Trump supporters (like 90% of Republicans) have no actual ideology, but are lead into ideologies like lemming off a cliff (remember that almost all Bush supporters became Tea Party members, then became Trump supporters -- all ideologies diametrically colliding and contradicting each-other).
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You asked, I answered, Canadian.
BTW, the right isn't monolithic in the USA, Canadian. Being a Canadian foreigner, you may not have known that - until now.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". R.W. Emerson
Sing the song of the solution to a nuclear Iran with me, Canadian:
I have heard that. The problem was NK never stopped their program. They did not go from having nothing when bush made the comment to suddenly having testable nukes shortly thereafter. Even NK admitted as such.
What you politically biased folks don't understand is that none of the previous 4 presidents are responsible. NK wants nukes, and they will get them. And along the way they will grav some cash.
Bush actually reduced or stripped many of the mechanisms that were having an impact on North Korea. And Trump doesn't even have an ambassador to South Korea, which is like, kinda important right about now.
There was never a perfect solution with North Korea, especially post-Iraq invasion. And since diplomacy is the only remotely palatable solution, maybe Trump shouldn't de-pants Tillerson while he's in the middle of diplomacy.
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That's not necessarily true,
Why on earth would a free world with the ability to stop these two bad players from having Nukes even consider the possibility?
It's mind boggling.
Trump tells them no they can not have Nukes, PERIOD.
Sanctions are a joke, obviously, diplomacy is a joke, obviously, what else is there?
It's mind boggling and pathetic to pretend this situation can be brought down to a safe state that the world can rest under by any means other than a hammer.
The hammer, and it's coming
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Diplomacy, are you high?
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Oh, hi
You're worse than a troll, you are just plain worthless.
they are the Keeper of the 2 Mosques.
Salaism ( not Wahhabi) goes back to King Faisel - although the 2 have merged.
Interestingly it was Egypt -not SA that exported Salafism to SA.
Iranian fundamentalism rises from the increased politicization of the clerics masquerading as modernization
The point I was making is Iran simply will not partner wit the US. That ship has sailed.
*shrug* indeed. The president has little powers -they belong to the Guardain Council and the Supreme leader
ask Iranians if the liked American prior to 1979 -most would say yes
I'm not sure. I know Israel did bomb their reactors 1 time greatly setting back Iran's nuclear program.
One thing I disagree with both Trump and Obama is the importance of Iranian nukes. Of course they are a game changer-
but unlike North Korea where I seriously wonder if lil Kim is a rational actor,i'm sure Iranian leadership IS rational-
so i'm not all that concerned about nukes. I am greatly concerned abut Iranian regional hegemony
Shi'a fundamentalism is only expressed as a state force in Iran & Bahrain.
But with Iran's colonization of Iraq -look for more and more exporting of subjegation.
The Case of Iranian fundamentalism
http://www.mepc.org/islamic-fundamentalism-action-case-iran
Was Iran better when it was ruled by an American-beholden dictator? One that was installed just before Iran gained a foothold in democracy? I thought you were not a neocon, that you hated what the neocons have done?
Go ahead and say you wanted an American installed dictator, anatta.
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I know right,
Buckley and evince both should just find somewhere else to spend their time, like a Disney forum or Harry Potter chat room.
There are times when you try and have a legitimate debate and realize you are actually talking to these two.
If they were your teen agers you'd smack them up side the head and put them in their room until they acted their age.
Bush is the establishment wing of the Republican party -not Trump.
Trumps gets his support across party lines and also from Tea Party -but never the Bushes
i don't know if it was "better". SAVAK and Shah Pahlavi were certainly gruesome characters.
I guess i'd say they were more pro-western, as Iranian fundamentalism supposedly eschews western values