Century-old Francis Scott Key monument defaced with 'racist anthem' in Baltimore

[anatta]

None of us debating you approve of vandalism or violence, you need to drop the narrative that we do.

somebody is doing the vandalism -somebody is doing the violence- and it isn't just the Nazis..
I am not interested in accusing you or others of approving violence.

I am interested in showing the "PC crowd" isn't wanting to keep our history.
The "absolutists" ( best term coined by Darth) are more then willing to demolish our history because of the 'warts' of the men's statues being vandalized

 

[Phantasmal]

I've seen nothing but tepid condemnation.

It must mean you condone it.

No, it doesn't, that is foolishness and we all have condemned violence by the very nature of our pacifism. I told think it is required of me to comment on every act.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Wow - enjoy that one for as long as it lasts.

You guys must have had a rough time for awhile or something. I can't recall even once saying some variation of "nyah nyah, Obama won & you lost" after 2008, but you guys trot that shite out every day under Trump.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Maybe not you; but Obama had a lot to say about it.

Obama - 2010 - “Elections have consequences.” It’s the political way for winners to tell losers: “Tough luck, you lost. Get over it.”

 

[Darth Omar]

No, it doesn't, that is foolishness and we all have condemned violence by the very nature of our pacifism. I told think it is required of me to comment on every act.

It's a shame that doesn't apply to Trump and his supporters.

 

[Airstrip One]

"Civil War" was a term that did not come into wide use until after 1865, and after the defeat of the southern traitors.

During the war, southerners called the conflict the War of Northern Aggression, the War for Southern Independence, or some permutation of thereof.
To this day, I have met people in the south do not call it the civil war. They viewed it as a rebellion, a war of independence (for the south).

I like The War of Northern Supremacy. Given some of the 19th century's hyphenated wars, we could always go with Confederate-American War.

 

[Phantasmal]

somebody is doing the vandalism -somebody is doing the violence- and it isn't just the Nazis..
I am not interested in accusing you or others of approving violence.

I am interested in showing the "PC crowd" isn't wanting to keep our history.
The "absolutists" ( best term coined by Darth) are more then willing to demolish our history because of the 'warts' of the men's statues being vandalized

No, again for the 100,000 time, they don't want to demolish history, they don't want slavers or traitors memorialized in public spaces.

 

[Sailor]

Baltimore is, itself, a defacement of America.

Baltimore is a great port.

 

[Darth Omar]

No, again for the 100,000 time, they don't want to demolish history, they don't want slavers or traitors memorialized in public spaces.

Are people who disagree racist?

 

[Phantasmal]

Are people who disagree racist?

Some are, some aren't.

 

[anatta]

Even if you view the Confederates as Americans (they were not, seeing as how Americans are US citizens/residents), the fact that the CSA was not fighting to control DC, and thus the American system of government, means it was not really a civil war. Even in the narrative of Lincoln, where the secessionists represented an illegal rebellion, nowhere is there an argument that the south was fighting for control of DC.

The English Civil War was fought for control over London. The Russian Reds and Whites fought for control over Moscow. The same with Peking, when the Chinese Communists fought the Nationalists.

The best sources I've seen on this say the term "Civil War" was the term most used during the war itself.
Historian look for contemporaneous usage as source material.. So I think that is the best term.

The goals was secession and a peacable diplomatic relationship with these/the United States.
Yes they wanted a separate government -while the other you mentioned wanted to take over the existing government - but what difference does that make?

It was a civil War for secession rather then a civil war of conquest.
But they still considered themselves part of the American people (et all) as a whole.
They had grievances against the US government -not it's people..afterall many were brothers.

 

[Darth Omar]

Some are, some aren't.

So, there were good people on both sides at Charlottesville?

 

[anatta]

No, again for the 100,000 time, they don't want to demolish history, they don't want slavers or traitors memorialized in public spaces.

you make my case!

You (they-whomever) are focused on the warts/imperfections of the men, and not the totality of their works .
They are intent on "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". That is demolishing/destroying/cleansing US history.

It's very similar to the Chinese Cultural Revolution ( not a good thing)

 

[Phantasmal]

you make my case!

You (they-whomever) are focused on the warts/imperfections of the men, and not the totality of their works .
They are intent on "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". That is demolishing/destroying/cleansing US history.

It's very similar to the Chinese Cultural Revolution ( not a good thing)

That is not what I or anyone else has said, you read stuff into what people say. People wanting statuary out of public places is not abolishing history, they may still read about it ina book, on TV, the internet and at great grandpappy's knee, but I repeat myself.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

So, when does the Jefferson monument come down lol?

Since you brought up absurd.

Jefferson? He wrote the Declaration of Independence. Lee took up arms against the country.

Is that a super crazy hard distinction for you?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

you make my case!

You (they-whomever) are focused on the warts/imperfections of the men, and not the totality of their works .
They are intent on "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". That is demolishing/destroying/cleansing US history.

It's very similar to the Chinese Cultural Revolution ( not a good thing)

You've lost your tether to reality.

Just an FYI.

 

[CFM]

I mean, no other way to say it - that's real drama queen stuff right there.

If you consider the the national anthem a bad thing, get the fuck out of the country, traitor.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

If you consider the the national anthem a bad thing, get the fuck out of the country, traitor.

And where did I say I considered the national anthem a bad thing?

I always forget that you guys can't really read.

 

[CFM]

Jefferson? He wrote the Declaration of Independence. Lee took up arms against the country.

Is that a super crazy hard distinction for you?

Jefferson owned slaves. If you want to get to the reality of it, Jefferson was the same level of traitor as you claim Lee was. The difference is you have no problem with what Jefferson did and overlook that he owned slaves because you agreed with it.

 

[CFM]

And where did I say I considered the national anthem a bad thing?

I always forget that you guys can't really read.

You have no problem with a monument to the one that wrote it being defaced.

Get the fuck out anyway, traitor.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Jefferson owned slaves. If you want to get to the reality of it, Jefferson was the same level of traitor as you claim Lee was. The difference is you have no problem with what Jefferson did and overlook that he owned slaves because you agreed with it.

Same level? Did Jefferson take up arms against the country? Did he lead an army against it?