DACA: Sins of the Father?

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DACA: Sins of the Father?

With the Trump administration set to end DACA its supporters have come up with a uniform rallying cry in its defense. "In America we do not punish children for the sins of their parents".

Except we do. All the time. One of the most important concepts that almost all Democrats hold dear is affirmative action. Doesn't this punish the children because their ancestors were supposedly racist?

If somebody robs a bank and gives the money to his children what do we do? Do we leave the money with his children as returning it to their original owner would be punishing them? No we would return the money to the owner of the property.*

What if the parent and child would illegally squat in an apartment or home owned by someone else? Would we say they can stay there because the child did nothing wrong? Or would we evict them?*

If a single parent murders someone in cold blood do we keep him out of prison because it would hurt the child? No the murderer goes into prison and the child gets put into some foster home or relative.*

It would actually be fairly rare to find a situation where a child is not punished in some way for the actions of his parent.*

In any case the illegals are not blameless as they did cross the border without getting the proper authorization. Remember we are not talking about criminal cases here but rather civil cases where in some cases actual commission of the act is enough even without intent. I encourage everyone to keep this in mind as supporters of DACA try to*make the case for its morality using the much stricter standards of criminal justice and law.

Now that we have dispensed with the platitudes let us discuss what is really happening. Why is congress both republicans and democrats so hell bent on encouraging illegal immigration?

Democrats

For Democrats its simple. Its all about the votes. I will not go down the path of people voting illegally as that is always sure to start an argument. I will just point out that political parties think in terms of decades and not just years. The DACA "children" have already been here for 8 years and for some of them even longer. They may even be adults now capable of having children of their own. Children who by virtue of birthright citizenship (something only one or two countries provide) will be American citizens. These people can then vote for Democrats in the future.

Democrats are fond of saying that Demographics is destiny as a prophesy of their eventually victory. This is the Democrats pushing that along.

Republicans

To be completely fair this next section does not only apply to Republicans. Establishment Democrats want this as much as their Republican counterparts do. Our politicans want this because it serves their corporate paymasters. Encouraging more illegal immigration with DACA and other measures like that increases the amount of labor available which reduces its cost and bargaining power. Leading to lower wages to everyone.

All Republicans and most Democrats claim to be capitalists who favor free trade and free markets. Under a capitalist system labor is just like any other commodity. If there is a scarcity of labor then its prices increase and if there is too much labor then its prices decrease. It is funny. When the free market dictate that the price of labor decrease our politicians turn into avatars of the free market. When the free market dictates that the price of labor increases our politicians cannot stand it and work to correct it.

We all want wages to increase to help the economy. The only way to do that is to control the supply of labor. Ending DACA is a step in this direction.
 
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DACA: Sins of the Father?

With the Trump administration set to end DACA its supporters have come up with a uniform rallying cry in its defense. "In America we do not punish children for the sins of their parents".

Except we do. All the time. One of the most important concepts that almost all Democrats hold dear is affirmative action. Doesn't this punish the children because their ancestors were supposedly racist?

If somebody robs a bank and gives the money to his children what do we do? Do we leave the money with his children as returning it to their original owner would be punishing them? No we would return the money to the owner of the property.*

What if the parent and child would illegally squat in an apartment or home owned by someone else? Would we say they can stay there because the child did nothing wrong? Or would we evict them?*

If a single parent murders someone in cold blood do we keep him out of prison because it would hurt the child? No the murderer goes into prison and the child gets put into some foster home or relative.*

It would actually be fairly rare to find a situation where a child is not punished in some way for the actions of his parent.*

In any case the illegals are not blameless as they did cross the border without getting the proper authorization. Remember we are not talking about criminal cases here but rather civil cases where in some cases actual commission of the act is enough even without intent. I encourage everyone to keep this in mind as supporters of DACA try to*make the case for its morality using the much stricter standards of criminal justice and law.

Now that we have dispensed with the platitudes let us discuss what is really happening. Why is congress both republicans and democrats so hell bent on encouraging illegal immigration?

Democrats

For Democrats its simple. Its all about the votes. I will not go down the path of people voting illegally as that is always sure to start an argument. I will just point out that political parties think in terms of decades and not just years. The DACA "children" have already been here for 8 years and for some of them even longer. They may even be adults now capable of having children of their own. Children who by virtue of birthright citizenship (something only one or two countries provide) will be American citizens. These people can then vote for Democrats in the future.

Democrats are fond of saying that Demographics is destiny as a prophesy of their eventually victory. This is the Democrats pushing that along.

Republicans

To be completely fair this next section does not only apply to Republicans. Establishment Democrats want this as much as their Republican counterparts do. Our politicans want this because it serves their corporate paymasters. Encouraging more illegal immigration with DACA and other measures like that increases the amount of labor available which reduces its cost and bargaining power. Leading to lower wages to everyone.

All Republicans and most Democrats claim to be capitalists who favor free trade and free markets. Under a capitalist system labor is just like any other commodity. If there is a scarcity of labor then its prices increase and if there is too much labor then its prices decrease. It is funny. When the free market dictate that the price of labor decrease our politicians turn into avatars of the free market. When the free market dictates that the price of labor increases our politicians cannot stand it and work to correct it.

We all want wages to increase to help the economy. The only way to do that is to control the supply of labor. Ending DACA is a step in this direction.

Has trump said that about removing them???
 
Has trump said that about removing them???

only those with criminal records...to be clear I support keeping the kids here,but it has to be done by Congress.

SCOTUS has already ruled against DAPA -and the states are bringing in a lawsuit against DACA
( executive over-reach/separation of powers).

So if we can Congress to ACT -a very big if- it will be settled law and no deporations
 
only those with criminal records...to be clear I support keeping the kids here,but it has to be done by Congress.

SCOTUS has already ruled against DAPA -and the states are bringing in a lawsuit against DACA
( executive over-reach/separation of powers).

So if we can Congress to ACT -a very big if- it will be settled law and no deporations

Was not what I was asking~specifically about the supply of labor...
 
Was not what I was asking~specifically about the supply of labor...
OK. I don't seethat as a factor .DACA kids are American kids -just like other American kids.
( who will work in fast food but not field hands or gardeners like other Americans will not do either)
 
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DACA: Sins of the Father?

With the Trump administration set to end DACA its supporters have come up with a uniform rallying cry in its defense. "In America we do not punish children for the sins of their parents".

Except we do. All the time. One of the most important concepts that almost all Democrats hold dear is affirmative action. Doesn't this punish the children because their ancestors were supposedly racist?

If somebody robs a bank and gives the money to his children what do we do? Do we leave the money with his children as returning it to their original owner would be punishing them? No we would return the money to the owner of the property.*

What if the parent and child would illegally squat in an apartment or home owned by someone else? Would we say they can stay there because the child did nothing wrong? Or would we evict them?*

If a single parent murders someone in cold blood do we keep him out of prison because it would hurt the child? No the murderer goes into prison and the child gets put into some foster home or relative.*

It would actually be fairly rare to find a situation where a child is not punished in some way for the actions of his parent.*

In any case the illegals are not blameless as they did cross the border without getting the proper authorization. Remember we are not talking about criminal cases here but rather civil cases where in some cases actual commission of the act is enough even without intent. I encourage everyone to keep this in mind as supporters of DACA try to*make the case for its morality using the much stricter standards of criminal justice and law.

Now that we have dispensed with the platitudes let us discuss what is really happening. Why is congress both republicans and democrats so hell bent on encouraging illegal immigration?

Democrats

For Democrats its simple. Its all about the votes. I will not go down the path of people voting illegally as that is always sure to start an argument. I will just point out that political parties think in terms of decades and not just years. The DACA "children" have already been here for 8 years and for some of them even longer. They may even be adults now capable of having children of their own. Children who by virtue of birthright citizenship (something only one or two countries provide) will be American citizens. These people can then vote for Democrats in the future.

Democrats are fond of saying that Demographics is destiny as a prophesy of their eventually victory. This is the Democrats pushing that along.

Republicans

To be completely fair this next section does not only apply to Republicans. Establishment Democrats want this as much as their Republican counterparts do. Our politicans want this because it serves their corporate paymasters. Encouraging more illegal immigration with DACA and other measures like that increases the amount of labor available which reduces its cost and bargaining power. Leading to lower wages to everyone.

All Republicans and most Democrats claim to be capitalists who favor free trade and free markets. Under a capitalist system labor is just like any other commodity. If there is a scarcity of labor then its prices increase and if there is too much labor then its prices decrease. It is funny. When the free market dictate that the price of labor decrease our politicians turn into avatars of the free market. When the free market dictates that the price of labor increases our politicians cannot stand it and work to correct it.

We all want wages to increase to help the economy. The only way to do that is to control the supply of labor. Ending DACA is a step in this direction.

did i see these kids burning THE AMERICAN FLAG,while waving the mexican flag.
no these people need to get in line and swear allegiance to THE AMERICAN FLAG and take the oath, just like the people that come to our great country legally do.
 
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DACA: Sins of the Father?

With the Trump administration set to end DACA its supporters have come up with a uniform rallying cry in its defense. "In America we do not punish children for the sins of their parents".

Except we do. All the time. One of the most important concepts that almost all Democrats hold dear is affirmative action. Doesn't this punish the children because their ancestors were supposedly racist?

If somebody robs a bank and gives the money to his children what do we do? Do we leave the money with his children as returning it to their original owner would be punishing them? No we would return the money to the owner of the property.*

What if the parent and child would illegally squat in an apartment or home owned by someone else? Would we say they can stay there because the child did nothing wrong? Or would we evict them?*

If a single parent murders someone in cold blood do we keep him out of prison because it would hurt the child? No the murderer goes into prison and the child gets put into some foster home or relative.*

It would actually be fairly rare to find a situation where a child is not punished in some way for the actions of his parent.*

In any case the illegals are not blameless as they did cross the border without getting the proper authorization. Remember we are not talking about criminal cases here but rather civil cases where in some cases actual commission of the act is enough even without intent. I encourage everyone to keep this in mind as supporters of DACA try to*make the case for its morality using the much stricter standards of criminal justice and law.

Now that we have dispensed with the platitudes let us discuss what is really happening. Why is congress both republicans and democrats so hell bent on encouraging illegal immigration?

Democrats

For Democrats its simple. Its all about the votes. I will not go down the path of people voting illegally as that is always sure to start an argument. I will just point out that political parties think in terms of decades and not just years. The DACA "children" have already been here for 8 years and for some of them even longer. They may even be adults now capable of having children of their own. Children who by virtue of birthright citizenship (something only one or two countries provide) will be American citizens. These people can then vote for Democrats in the future.

Democrats are fond of saying that Demographics is destiny as a prophesy of their eventually victory. This is the Democrats pushing that along.

Republicans

To be completely fair this next section does not only apply to Republicans. Establishment Democrats want this as much as their Republican counterparts do. Our politicans want this because it serves their corporate paymasters. Encouraging more illegal immigration with DACA and other measures like that increases the amount of labor available which reduces its cost and bargaining power. Leading to lower wages to everyone.

All Republicans and most Democrats claim to be capitalists who favor free trade and free markets. Under a capitalist system labor is just like any other commodity. If there is a scarcity of labor then its prices increase and if there is too much labor then its prices decrease. It is funny. When the free market dictate that the price of labor decrease our politicians turn into avatars of the free market. When the free market dictates that the price of labor increases our politicians cannot stand it and work to correct it.

We all want wages to increase to help the economy. The only way to do that is to control the supply of labor. Ending DACA is a step in this direction.

did i see these kids burning THE AMERICAN FLAG,while waving the mexican flag.
no these people need to get in line and swear allegiance to THE AMERICAN FLAG and take the oath, just like the people that come to our great country legally do.
 
I have never seen a liberal explain their competing positions. On one hand they complain that wages are too low and DEMAND a government mandated artificial minimum wage. But on the other hand they want to allow unlimited low skilled labor which creates an over supply and drives down wages.


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Please empathize and put yourself in these kids' shoes. You have known nothing but, due to no fault of their own, and they now risk being displaced. Just imagine this would happen to you or someone you love dearly.
Ask yourself why the parents risked everything, knowing this could happen some day. How dire their situation must have been.
Of course they knew they broke the law, and doing so had consequences. What's the legal, the rightful thing to do, what is the compassionate thing to do? We have to weigh both sides carefully.
Ask yourselves who is to blame. For a long time I thought it is the parents. Is it really? What about those who enabled them to take the risk? The politicians, the employers who profit on slave labor and inadequate immigration laws and enforcement, and in a way the consumers who watch their bottom line. The cartels, the foreign governments?
 
I have never seen a liberal explain their competing positions. On one hand they complain that wages are too low and DEMAND a government mandated artificial minimum wage. But on the other hand they want to allow unlimited low skilled labor which creates an over supply and drives down wages.


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They don't believe in economic principles like supply and demand. They think every business owner is swimming in gold coins and just want to make sure everyone who works for them is poor and on welfare.
 
Please empathize and put yourself in these kids' shoes. You have known nothing but, due to no fault of their own, and they now risk being displaced. Just imagine this would happen to you or someone you love dearly.
Ask yourself why the parents risked everything, knowing this could happen some day. How dire their situation must have been.
Of course they knew they broke the law, and doing so had consequences. What's the legal, the rightful thing to do, what is the compassionate thing to do? We have to weigh both sides carefully.
Ask yourselves who is to blame. For a long time I thought it is the parents. Is it really? What about those who enabled them to take the risk? The politicians, the employers who profit on slave labor and inadequate immigration laws and enforcement, and in a way the consumers who watch their bottom line. The cartels, the foreign governments?

BULLSHIT

FUCK EM

DEPORT EM

We are tired of people shitting on our immigration laws. Spare me your sob story. Start a support group with Cawacko. Pick your own oranges. I don't care.

They gotta goa
 
Just one liberal/RINO make one solid LEGAL argument for them staying. None of this heart string bullshit. Everyone has a sob story. We either have laws and follow them or we don't.


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Just one liberal/RINO make one solid LEGAL argument for them staying. None of this heart string bullshit. Everyone has a sob story. We either have laws and follow them or we don't.


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Who broke more laws? The ones who looked the other way for far too long because it was more profitable and convenient, or the desperate?
Our laws must be enforced, I get that, but we can't do that selectively and let only the underdogs pay the price. If you want to punish, you must do so from the top down.
Reagan's arm was twisted by the Dems to make a deal. Lets start there.
 
Who broke more laws? The ones who looked the other way for far too long because it was more profitable and convenient, or the desperate?
Our laws must be enforced, I get that, but we can't do that selectively and let only the underdogs pay the price. If you want to punish, you must do so from the top down.
Reagan's arm was twisted by the Dems to make a deal. Lets start there.

Reagan is dead.... We can't punish those that encouraged them & then exploited them, they are hard working Americans, good folks, "real Americans" you know..
 
Please empathize and put yourself in these kids' shoes. You have known nothing but, due to no fault of their own, and they now risk being displaced. Just imagine this would happen to you or someone you love dearly.
Ask yourself why the parents risked everything, knowing this could happen some day. How dire their situation must have been.
Of course they knew they broke the law, and doing so had consequences. What's the legal, the rightful thing to do, what is the compassionate thing to do? We have to weigh both sides carefully.
Ask yourselves who is to blame. For a long time I thought it is the parents. Is it really? What about those who enabled them to take the risk? The politicians, the employers who profit on slave labor and inadequate immigration laws and enforcement, and in a way the consumers who watch their bottom line. The cartels, the foreign governments?

Tough shit.

They have 6 months.

Then unless Congress passes the DREAM Act (and they have had 16 years to do it) they should be deported.
 
Reagan is dead.... We can't punish those that encouraged them & then exploited them, they are hard working Americans, good folks, "real Americans" you know..

You are kidding. Reagan is dead? OMG, why didn't anyone tell me? Are you serious? You are sooo smart.
Admitting where the problem started is the best first step in finding a solution.
 
Who broke more laws? The ones who looked the other way for far too long because it was more profitable and convenient, or the desperate?
Our laws must be enforced, I get that, but we can't do that selectively and let only the underdogs pay the price. If you want to punish, you must do so from the top down.
Reagan's arm was twisted by the Dems to make a deal. Lets start there.

I don't argue against that. But every country has the right to control its immigration policy. Sorry but compassion doesn't enter into the argument. Everyone wants to cone here. It is unsustainable.

They gotta go
 
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