DACA: Sins of the Father?

Rune said:
They can't, that is the beauty of it and Trump could care less and interestingly
ILA doesn't either.
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Yep............ He stabbed his own party in the back...... Well to be fair, the party he usurped.......

he passed the buck off to them to fulfill his promise to deport them..

If congress goes along & has them deported they get their ass kicked in the elections, if they don't the dirty blames them for them staying in "their country"...:rofl2:
 
Right said:
Why does it depend? Did The Obama usurp the Constitution by assuming legislative authority or not?
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Obama isn't the president any more............

Whatever he did, or did not do does not matter now.... What does matter is what congress will do........ So what is the good option for congress?
 
Bill said:
I won't be running a campaign in 2018..........

So congress has them deported?? & then what happens in those elections??
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They need to work it out and come up with a compromise. Cutting these people off from the only life they have ever known is barbaric. Along with that comes the need for increased border security and fast deportation illegal border crossers, esp the criminals. Incentives have to stop and a more fluid path for legal immigration must be found. If congress can agree and work on the latter, I am sure most are willing to compromise on DACA.
 
Bill said:
Obama isn't the president any more............

Whatever he did, or did not do does not matter now.... What does matter is what congress will do........ So what is the good option for congress?
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Well it does matter, because he made promises that don't hold up. It is why this can, and must be, revisited so soon.
 
your party will pay the price with the fastest growing demographic in the country


LATINOS


your party is stabbing its self to death for racisms sake
 
Bill said:
Obama isn't the president any more............

Whatever he did, or did not do does not matter now.... What does matter is what congress will do........ So what is the good option for congress?
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Nice dodge. The crime doesn't disappear when the criminal moves along.
 
Bill said:
Obama isn't the president any more............

Whatever he did, or did not do does not matter now.... What does matter is what congress will do........ So what is the good option for congress?
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And yet; for 8 years, all we heard was "BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH".

Such irony. :palm:
 
tsuke said:
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DACA: Sins of the Father?

With the Trump administration set to end DACA its supporters have come up with a uniform rallying cry in its defense. "In America we do not punish children for the sins of their parents".

Except we do. All the time. One of the most important concepts that almost all Democrats hold dear is affirmative action. Doesn't this punish the children because their ancestors were supposedly racist?

If somebody robs a bank and gives the money to his children what do we do? Do we leave the money with his children as returning it to their original owner would be punishing them? No we would return the money to the owner of the property.*

What if the parent and child would illegally squat in an apartment or home owned by someone else? Would we say they can stay there because the child did nothing wrong? Or would we evict them?*

If a single parent murders someone in cold blood do we keep him out of prison because it would hurt the child? No the murderer goes into prison and the child gets put into some foster home or relative.*

It would actually be fairly rare to find a situation where a child is not punished in some way for the actions of his parent.*

In any case the illegals are not blameless as they did cross the border without getting the proper authorization. Remember we are not talking about criminal cases here but rather civil cases where in some cases actual commission of the act is enough even without intent. I encourage everyone to keep this in mind as supporters of DACA try to*make the case for its morality using the much stricter standards of criminal justice and law.

Now that we have dispensed with the platitudes let us discuss what is really happening. Why is congress both republicans and democrats so hell bent on encouraging illegal immigration?

Democrats

For Democrats its simple. Its all about the votes. I will not go down the path of people voting illegally as that is always sure to start an argument. I will just point out that political parties think in terms of decades and not just years. The DACA "children" have already been here for 8 years and for some of them even longer. They may even be adults now capable of having children of their own. Children who by virtue of birthright citizenship (something only one or two countries provide) will be American citizens. These people can then vote for Democrats in the future.

Democrats are fond of saying that Demographics is destiny as a prophesy of their eventually victory. This is the Democrats pushing that along.

Republicans

To be completely fair this next section does not only apply to Republicans. Establishment Democrats want this as much as their Republican counterparts do. Our politicans want this because it serves their corporate paymasters. Encouraging more illegal immigration with DACA and other measures like that increases the amount of labor available which reduces its cost and bargaining power. Leading to lower wages to everyone.

All Republicans and most Democrats claim to be capitalists who favor free trade and free markets. Under a capitalist system labor is just like any other commodity. If there is a scarcity of labor then its prices increase and if there is too much labor then its prices decrease. It is funny. When the free market dictate that the price of labor decrease our politicians turn into avatars of the free market. When the free market dictates that the price of labor increases our politicians cannot stand it and work to correct it.

We all want wages to increase to help the economy. The only way to do that is to control the supply of labor. Ending DACA is a step in this direction.
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Affirmative Action is nothing more than punishing those that never owned slaves in order to reward those that never were slaves. What's worse, using your children analogy, is that many of those being punished because they're white never had family that owned slaves or, as with mine, weren't in the country until years after slavery ended.
 
evince said:
your party will pay the price with the fastest growing demographic in the country


LATINOS


your party is stabbing its self to death for racisms sake
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All those Latinos will give you more guys with which to continue being a whore.
 
Lovebug said:
Please empathize and put yourself in these kids' shoes. You have known nothing but, due to no fault of their own, and they now risk being displaced. Just imagine this would happen to you or someone you love dearly.
Ask yourself why the parents risked everything, knowing this could happen some day. How dire their situation must have been.
Of course they knew they broke the law, and doing so had consequences. What's the legal, the rightful thing to do, what is the compassionate thing to do? We have to weigh both sides carefully.
Ask yourselves who is to blame. For a long time I thought it is the parents. Is it really? What about those who enabled them to take the risk? The politicians, the employers who profit on slave labor and inadequate immigration laws and enforcement, and in a way the consumers who watch their bottom line. The cartels, the foreign governments?
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I know who is to blame. The parents that came here illegally and brought their illegal children. Without that happening, none of this is discussed. Anything else is taking the blame off the ones whose actions started the process. If that action never occurs, the results for which you try to justify a criminal act never happen. Ultimately, it's the parent's fault but that doesn't, by default, mean it's OK for the illegal children to stay.

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason or using the wrong methods doesn't make it OK. If a child is fed by a parent using money the parent stole, while feeding the child is the right thing, the manner in which it occurred can't be justified.

Bottom line is they are ILLEGALLY here.
 
Lovebug said:
They need to work it out and come up with a compromise. Cutting these people off from the only life they have ever known is barbaric. Along with that comes the need for increased border security and fast deportation illegal border crossers, esp the criminals. Incentives have to stop and a more fluid path for legal immigration must be found. If congress can agree and work on the latter, I am sure most are willing to compromise on DACA.
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Congress is between a rock & a hard place...

The tyrant promised he would deport them.. His fans cheered & he knows they will be very, very unhappy if he does not follow through..

Deporting them isn't popular w/ the general public & the dirty fans are salivating & will take it out on them if they don't deliver ON HIS PROMISE...
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then why are triggered, when Obama is brought up. :D



:evilnod:
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TRIGGER THIS
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