Harvey the face of climate change?

Thing1 said:
"Climate change" doesn't predict anything. It just is. Theories about climate change do predict storms of increasing intensity, not necessarily frequency, over the course of time.
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Why waste your time talking to an ignorant dishonest troll?
 
Darth Omar said:
So, you concede AGW isn't necessary to explain Harvey?
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Are you even able to read my previous responses?

Where have I said or implied that this is about AGW? I have gone OUT OF MY WAY to say that none of this is about AGW - but it could be about actual climate change.

I wonder if you even know the difference between AGW and climate change...do you?
 
The denial morons will be in denial even as they get sucked up and spat out . Best just ignore them and get on with the job of stopping their gravy train.
 
Darth Omar said:
It's inevitable that climate change would be blamed for Hurricane Harvey. Everyone saw that coming so I won't supply the link.

A Pat Robertson type would make a claim that the storm is God's judgement for X or Y sins. Notice how neither proposition is supported by evidence. The proximal cause of Hurricane Harvey is warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. Warm ocean waters have been producing powerful storms for eons. Long before Al Gore or Michael Mann came along.

What caused Harvey to be so devastating is it's being blocked by high pressure to the north. And since it can't move, Houston is getting dumped on with historic amounts of rain.

That said, God may be judging Houston or God may be using climate change to do it, or neither may be true.

We just don't know because, ironically, neither proclamation is scientific.
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Rain, wind, no wind, sleet, frost, snow, drought, cold weather, hot weather, etc.....climate change is blamed for EVERYTHING.....
thats what makes the lefties look so freaked stupid.....no different that Trump getting bad news coverage for everything he does and says.....

 
Thing1 said:
Are you even able to read my previous responses?

Where have I said or implied that this is about AGW? I have gone OUT OF MY WAY to say that none of this is about AGW - but it could be about actual climate change.
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As a climate change ... or at least an AGW climate change skeptic I can live with this much more than I can live with this response. There is nothing wrong with Lorax's stance here, IMO...for what my opinion is worth.
 
leaningright said:
As a climate change ... or at least an AGW climate change skeptic I can live with this much more than I can live with this response. There is nothing wrong with Lorax's stance here, IMO...for what my opinion is worth.
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I appreciate that. I gave up on the AGW debate years ago, for a variety of reasons. First, I'm not even convinced, though I think man probably is A contributor, but only one factor. Regardless, it's impossible to prove, so why waste time talking about it?

Beyond all of that, even if AGW is fact, it's also a fact - and even AGW scientists agree here - that even if the entire globe went cold turkey on emissions right now, we would not see any discernible difference in the atmosphere for centuries, and possibly over 1,000 years.

It's why I can't take the whole AGW movement seriously. They're not even talking about that; they usually talk about reducing emissions 10 or 20% or something, which wouldn't do anything.

There are great arguments to be made for renewables, and I'd prefer the environmental movement focus on those. Pollution, national security, the domestic economy - stick w/ stuff that is concrete and common sense.
 
Thing1 said:
Are you even able to read my previous responses?

Where have I said or implied that this is about AGW? I have gone OUT OF MY WAY to say that none of this is about AGW - but it could be about actual climate change.

I wonder if you even know the difference between AGW and climate change...do you?
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Anthropogenic Global Warming.

'Climate change' is meaningless since the climate changes naturally.

Since you're reluctant to take a position on Harvey with respect to AGW [cant say as I blame you---I steer away from unprovable proclamations myself] I'm curious about what think of people who do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...rricane-harvey-became-so-destructive.amp.html

That's the NYT linking Harvey to climate change. Though the actual link is missing lol. Are they doofuses?
 
Thing1 said:
Very few still dispute actual climate change. It's man's contribution that is the crux of the debate.

And bigger storms are part of climate change. So, yeah.
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Yes the climate changes. And the sun goes up and it goes down. Such has been the dawn of time. Man has zero impact on our climate

Nobody really knows if these storms are the biggest ever do they?
 
Darth Omar said:
It's inevitable that climate change would be blamed for Hurricane Harvey. Everyone saw that coming so I won't supply the link.

A Pat Robertson type would make a claim that the storm is God's judgement for X or Y sins. Notice how neither proposition is supported by evidence. The proximal cause of Hurricane Harvey is warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. Warm ocean waters have been producing powerful storms for eons. Long before Al Gore or Michael Mann came along.

What caused Harvey to be so devastating is it's being blocked by high pressure to the north. And since it can't move, Houston is getting dumped on with historic amounts of rain.

That said, God may be judging Houston or God may be using climate change to do it, or neither may be true.

We just don't know because, ironically, neither proclamation is scientific.
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God created everything...the heavens, planets, stars, life and all conditions that affect them.
Our nation presently is under his judgment. That evidence is clear. We've turned our backs on him. Blind people dispensing hate, violence and insanity everywhere. False teachers propagating false teaching. People have placed their favorite idols ahead of God. This is the Hebrew month of repentance. During tragedies people either allow their hearts to soften, seek forgiveness and turn toward God for mercy or they harden their hearts further and burn with anger and hatred towards him. This has all been prophesied. If we do not acknowledge him, he will not acknowledge us. Pray for our nation.
 
Thing1 said:
The "man made" thing has nothing to do w/ it. I wonder if you guys even understand this issue?

Climate change is a pretty real concept, regardless of whether man contributes anything to it or not. And larger storms are part of that.

You guys need to go back & read your talking points again. No one really disputes "climate change" anymore.
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This storm isn't a result of climate change unless you are saying that climate change aka global warming is causing the high pressure system blocking the storm?
 
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