Harvey the face of climate change?

[Darth Omar]

It's inevitable that climate change would be blamed for Hurricane Harvey. Everyone saw that coming so I won't supply the link.

A Pat Robertson type would make a claim that the storm is God's judgement for X or Y sins. Notice how neither proposition is supported by evidence. The proximal cause of Hurricane Harvey is warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. Warm ocean waters have been producing powerful storms for eons. Long before Al Gore or Michael Mann came along.

What caused Harvey to be so devastating is it's being blocked by high pressure to the north. And since it can't move, Houston is getting dumped on with historic amounts of rain.

That said, God may be judging Houston or God may be using climate change to do it, or neither may be true.

We just don't know because, ironically, neither proclamation is scientific.

 

[leaningright]

Meh...Harvey's a hurricane. That is all.

 

[dukkha]

Check with the Goracle. Only Al knows

 

[Bigdog]

Check with the Goracle. Only Al knows

According to the Goracle's predictions, we should have about 400 Harveys since Katrina.

 

[Darth Omar]

Meh...Harvey's a hurricane. That is all.

I agree, but who's to say, really?

My point is that, and similar proclamations, lie beyond science.

 

[iolo]

Mugs are mugs are mugs are .... drowned! Wake up, bloody halfwits!

 

[tsuke]

Mugs are mugs are mugs are .... drowned! Wake up, bloody halfwits!

i dont get your post brother iolo.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Very few still dispute actual climate change. It's man's contribution that is the crux of the debate.

And bigger storms are part of climate change. So, yeah.

 

[Canceled.2018.1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

 

[Irish Exit]

If Harvey had been a cold front, it would have been "weather", but since it is a hurricane, it is "climate".

 

[Getin the ring]

Hurricanes come around every year, this one spun in circles once it reached shore.

Don't try and tie this to man made factors.
stop the madness

 

[Darth Omar]

Very few still dispute actual climate change. It's man's contribution that is the crux of the debate.

And bigger storms are part of climate change. So, yeah.

The storm isn't really all that remarkable---as far as hurricanes go.

What makes it historic is that it's being blocked by two high pressure domes to the north and west. Since it's being blocked, Houston is seeing a biblical deluge.

Call it the hand of God or climate change, but all we know for sure is the storm's destruction is being caused by well known mechanisms that can be readily explained without appeals to the unknown.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Hurricanes come around every year, this one spun in circles once it reached shore.

Don't try and tie this to man made factors.
stop the madness

The "man made" thing has nothing to do w/ it. I wonder if you guys even understand this issue?

Climate change is a pretty real concept, regardless of whether man contributes anything to it or not. And larger storms are part of that.

You guys need to go back & read your talking points again. No one really disputes "climate change" anymore.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

The storm isn't really all that remarkable---as far as hurricanes go.

What makes it historic is that it's being blocked by two high pressure domes to the north and west. Since it's being blocked, Houston is seeing a biblical deluge.

Call it the hand of God or climate change, but all we know for sure is the storm's destruction is being caused by well known mechanisms that can be readily explained without appeals to the unknown.

There is nothing "unknown" or supernatural about climate change.

As I said in my last post, go back and look at your talking points again.

 

[Darth Omar]

There is nothing "unknown" or supernatural about climate change.

As I said in my last post, go back and look at your talking points again.

I thought climate change predicted an increase in hurricanes.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I thought climate change predicted an increase in hurricanes.

"Climate change" doesn't predict anything. It just is. Theories about climate change do predict storms of increasing intensity, not necessarily frequency, over the course of time.

 

[Darth Omar]

"Climate change" doesn't predict anything. It just is. Theories about climate change do predict storms of increasing intensity, not necessarily frequency, over the course of time.

Ok lol.

What climate change mechanism is behind the high pressure domes blocking Hurricane Harvey?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Ok lol.

What climate change mechanism is behind the high pressure domes blocking Hurricane Harvey?

You just sound dopey now. There are no "climate change mechanisms." Hurricanes are still formed the same way.

I don't have a lot of time to waste with your ill-informed "gotcha" attempts. Again, very few dispute actual "climate change" now. That's basically accepted science, by both the right & left.

The only debate is AGW - how much man contributes to the effect, if anything. I'm not even an AGW guy. I think it's impossible to prove, even if we do contribute, and even if we went cold turkey as a planet on emissions today, it wouldn't make a difference for over 1,000 years. We're not arguing AGW right now.

What you seem to be trying to argue is that there is no climate change at all - something most on the right even now would dispute. You need to read more in general.

 

[Darth Omar]

You just sound dopey now. There are no "climate change mechanisms." Hurricanes are still formed the same way.

I don't have a lot of time to waste with your ill-informed "gotcha" attempts. Again, very few dispute actual "climate change" now. That's basically accepted science, by both the right & left.

The only debate is AGW - how much man contributes to the effect, if anything. I'm not even an AGW guy. I think it's impossible to prove, even if we do contribute, and even if we went cold turkey as a planet on emissions today, it wouldn't make a difference for over 1,000 years. We're not arguing AGW right now.

What you seem to be trying to argue is that there is no climate change at all - something most on the right even now would dispute. You need to read more in general.

No, my argument is appealing to extraneous factors like AGW, or God, in explaining Hurricane Harvey violates Occams Razor.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

No, my argument is appealing to extraneous factors like AGW, or God, in explaining Hurricane Harvey violates Occams Razor.

The latter isn't an absolute, but whatever floats your boat (no pun intended).